How would you tackle Covid19

Lockdown, stay indoors, get a vaccine.

Will the government run out of money though? Does it matter?

Maybe the plan is, in time, people will become so used to not going out that we'l all become like hobbits and never want to leave the village. Except to steal some cabbages.
One advantage of not being in a currency union, is that you can always print more. At some point your currency becomes devalued to the point that inflation kicks in as import costs rise.

Still more dynamic than spending all your time arguing the toss with your neighbours about who's funding what and who's paying more.
 
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Its not anaphylactic its autoimmune.

Its the body destroying itself in its attempt to fight the virus. i.e. multiple organ failures

Most of the treatment research is focused around Erythropoietin (known as EPO) and Immune suppression.

I used Anaphylactic as a comparative you wouldn't put a person with an extreme peanut reaction to work in a peanut factory, this is what i fear some of our NHS staff are being exposed to, ie having an over reactive immune to covid19 whilst treating infected covid19 patients, no matter what they're wearing they may well be doomed. :(

Hence my opening post suggesting we identify these people who's immune is overreacting causing cytokine and killing them they use immunotherapy to treat these people or removing them from frontline NHS treatment teams until we have a successful treatment procedure and vaccination.
 
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I would say a 10-20% of the world's population are being impacted by Covid without any proper controls in place. Thats enough to get a second wave when those who are locking down ease the restrictions and mingle with those super spreaders.
Agree completely, if we resort back to anything close to normal it will be a tsunami spike in comparison to what we've seen.
 
Biggest problem London had was the infectious, hideous out of date Underground system a toxic breeding ground for any virus to thrive in. That method of transportation should of been shut down from day one.
 
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Being a man is a bad indicator

So is being past retirement age.

Smoking doesn't help.

High blood pressure may make it worse

Other chest or breathing problems seem to be bad.

Some people get few infections because they live and work away from other people. A supermarket till operator catches everything going. A hill sheepfarmer may seldom be ill, until he retires and spends more time in the pub playing dominoes, when he has no resistance to whatever carries him off in a bad winter. Hospitals are bad places to go because they're full of ill people in poor health.

Evidence is beginning to show the proportion of smokers infected with coronavirus is much lower than the rates in the general population.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...s-coronavirus-patients-frontline-workers.html
 
Evidence is beginning to show the proportion of smokers infected with coronavirus is much lower than the rates in the general population.

well that's curious

earlier, it was postulated that higher death rates in China were related to heavy-smoking men.

The article does say "are now planning" a trial, so no evidence provided that the idea is true.

Sadly, the Daily Wail is notorious for made-up health stories. Did you know they say that Coffee causes cancer? Did you know they say Coffee cures cancer?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/apr/18/bad-science-cancer-jabs-daily-mail
 
They looked at pandemics in 2016. It highlighted the need for PPE but they continued with more or less just in time / running stocks down.

They reason on what to do on the basis that bugs like this will arrive here what ever they do. As soon as China reacted drastically they could have ordered PPE. Low cost really and it would have been used up eventually anyway. Testing could also have been boosted once they knew what was needed.

Rather than carrying on as normal they could have said - go to work where you usually do, shop where ever you usually do and etc but don't travel out of these areas. This might have resulted in pockets of infection. I know the motorways were busy as I used them in this period. Big deal if some needed to use the phone instead or just not go especially considering how things are now.

People who were due to go on holiday were in a strange position. People who have them booked now are as well. My wife had one booked, going on her own. Just being offered vouchers when she wants to cancel. Both of us have one booked in September - not heard a dicky bird yet.

Seems the Germans have used verbal tracking - ask the infected who they may have infected. Ireland reckon they are doing that. 4.9million people. Their figures are here
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

They have left the 70+ range in limbo. 3months self isolation that has effectively been extended by another month. Around 12 million or so 65+ in the country. Perhaps they think these people sit at home all day. If they just let things loose while the virus is about it's pretty easy to see what will happen. Can only get at 65+ because that age group is traditionally seen as economically inactive. Ever increasing numbers of them have their own pensions not just state. They spend. Retirement age has gone up anyway.

The Asians did one thing to catch infected people late - thermal scanners. It wouldn't have cost much to have them around in airports. They seem to have done anything they could to influence the R value including masks. Maybe the improvement was small but a bit like costs savings things stack up - that's why they ran PPE stock down. One politician seems to think we are cretins. When closing airports were mentioned he said look at Italy and the state they are in - they had shut some flights down. Seems to think we can't see any distinct differences between Italy and the UK. Our lot know though it would have to be all flights. What's happened anyway.

It seems tourism adds £100billion+ to the economy. Lots of people work in areas associated with this - what chance does it have to remain as it was.

Herd immunity - only works if they can be sure of how many are immune. That aspect doesn't seem to be working out well as far as testing is concerned. The basic idea seems to be when it's high R values go down. Well most are immune to the usual flu variants but still spread it. Or maybe it's a well we will have some people left. Flu does kill people in homes etc but it doesn't kill that many out of them.

With a population of 1.3billion China cant even contemplate herd immunity. If we did have pockets of infection the same could have been be done. Maybe not so cleanly but............

The way it has been handled could result in a much harder hit on the economy than crippling it almost immediately. The end result over a short period of time has turned out the same anyway. There seems to be a basic idea that nothing can be done about it right from the start - even before it began.

:) Rant over but fact I am not keen on defeatists or people that can't contemplate thinking out of the box.
 
To tackle it, methinks a Delorian would be needed.
Nip back in time, ensure we got the PPE by the warehouseload, let the world know what's coming (they wont believe you) to close the borders all round the world and not believe what China or the WHO say.

Oh and stock up on toilet roll and essential supplies before everyone else does it (I'm sick of Pizza!)
 
They looked at pandemics in 2016. It highlighted the need for PPE but they continued with more or less just in time / running stocks down.

They reason on what to do on the basis that bugs like this will arrive here what ever they do. As soon as China reacted drastically they could have ordered PPE. Low cost really and it would have been used up eventually anyway. Testing could also have been boosted once they knew what was needed.

Rather than carrying on as normal they could have said - go to work where you usually do, shop where ever you usually do and etc but don't travel out of these areas. This might have resulted in pockets of infection. I know the motorways were busy as I used them in this period. Big deal if some needed to use the phone instead or just not go especially considering how things are now.

People who were due to go on holiday were in a strange position. People who have them booked now are as well. My wife had one booked, going on her own. Just being offered vouchers when she wants to cancel. Both of us have one booked in September - not heard a dicky bird yet.

Seems the Germans have used verbal tracking - ask the infected who they may have infected. Ireland reckon they are doing that. 4.9million people. Their figures are here
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

They have left the 70+ range in limbo. 3months self isolation that has effectively been extended by another month. Around 12 million or so 65+ in the country. Perhaps they think these people sit at home all day. If they just let things loose while the virus is about it's pretty easy to see what will happen. Can only get at 65+ because that age group is traditionally seen as economically inactive. Ever increasing numbers of them have their own pensions not just state. They spend. Retirement age has gone up anyway.

The Asians did one thing to catch infected people late - thermal scanners. It wouldn't have cost much to have them around in airports. They seem to have done anything they could to influence the R value including masks. Maybe the improvement was small but a bit like costs savings things stack up - that's why they ran PPE stock down. One politician seems to think we are cretins. When closing airports were mentioned he said look at Italy and the state they are in - they had shut some flights down. Seems to think we can't see any distinct differences between Italy and the UK. Our lot know though it would have to be all flights. What's happened anyway.

It seems tourism adds £100billion+ to the economy. Lots of people work in areas associated with this - what chance does it have to remain as it was.

Herd immunity - only works if they can be sure of how many are immune. That aspect doesn't seem to be working out well as far as testing is concerned. The basic idea seems to be when it's high R values go down. Well most are immune to the usual flu variants but still spread it. Or maybe it's a well we will have some people left. Flu does kill people in homes etc but it doesn't kill that many out of them.

With a population of 1.3billion China cant even contemplate herd immunity. If we did have pockets of infection the same could have been be done. Maybe not so cleanly but............

The way it has been handled could result in a much harder hit on the economy than crippling it almost immediately. The end result over a short period of time has turned out the same anyway. There seems to be a basic idea that nothing can be done about it right from the start - even before it began.

:) Rant over but fact I am not keen on defeatists or people that can't contemplate thinking out of the box.
Far too early to come to any firm conclusions.
 
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