ID cards for Voting

[SirGalahad]

Ah, so your major concern is that it will disadvantage non Tory supporters? Perhaps it is a coincidence that the alleged voter fraud that apparently doesn't happen is concentrated amongst the younger labour supporters? Perhaps it's a coincidence that foreign intervention in our election processes also appears to be targeted at supporting the Labour party?

If compulsory ID to vote is introduced, mechanisms will be put in place to ensure that the poor, disabled and young have easy access to obtaining that ID.

The mandatory carrying of ID is a completely different discussion to requiring ID to vote and one shouldn't be used in an attempt to discredit the other.

Where the evidence for this?

Do you require ID to drive your car? Wouldn't you say there are more people driving other peoples cars illegally than there are people impersonating someone else to vote on their behalf.

Then why don't we have automatic voter registration? Why not make voting compulsory?

 

[JohnD]

I allege that there are no unlicenced people driving cars.

there we are.

fixed that.

 

[ellal]

If I.D. is not required to vote, what is to stop someone walking into a voting station and stealing your vote and then going to another voting station and stealing someone elses vote.

Probably the fact that you'd have to know the details on the voting list?

But maybe you could remind us of the number of people convicted of voter fraud at previous elections?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Sinn Fein's election slogan was vote early, vote often.

Proof of that, please.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

P.s, the French have had I'd cards for years and they don't complain.

As far as I am aware, specific ID cards are not compulsory, any government issued card is sufficient, e.g. driving licence, medical card, passport etc, just like in UK.
I've never had a specific ID card, and never been asked for one. Whenever I'm asked for ID, a driving licence, passport or similar serves the purpose.
You need to prove your ID, residency and address when registering to vote.
But to actually vote you need your voter registration card (just like your voter paper in UK), and maybe some form of ID.

Similar to UK, you can only vote once in municipal elections and EU elections.
Prior to Brexit, we could vote in UK elections and in French municipal elections, but still only once in EU elections.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

I always carry my driving licence with me, it's in my wallet.

Mine is in the car.

But I havent moved house for so long, nor ever had my licence taken away, that it doesnt have a photo on it.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

All these people who are "all for it" - as it is undeniably demonstrable that there is no evidence of a voting fraud problem which demands it, I wonder what their real reasons are for wanting it?

 

[JohnD]

Having to produce ID to vote is not the same as being obliged to carry ID at all times.

So to recap.

You say the i.d. card is only required for voting, and does not need to be carried at all times for other purposes.

Somebody has told you there is a problem with electoral fraud, but evidence suggests this is not true.

So do you still want an i.d. card?

If so, why?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Anecdotally, there is a belief that some people, particularly activist students, have been voting twice

Anecdotally there is a belief that the world is flat.
Anecdotally there is a belief that senior US Democtratic Party politicians worship Satan and have underground prisons full of children from whom they harvest and drink blood.
Anecdotally there is a belief that 5G telephone masks cause cancer.
Anecdotally there is a belief that the coronavirus pandemic is a cover for a plan to implant trackable microchips via vaccinations and that Bill Gates is behind it.

Your point is what, exactly?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Examples of those who don't have driving licences are the disabled, and those from poor families who couldn't afford driving lessons.

And increasingly, younger people who live in cities and have no need to ever drive.

 

[sxturbo]

All these people who are "all for it" - as it is undeniably demonstrable that there is no evidence of a voting fraud problem which demands it, I wonder what their real reasons are for wanting it?

i'm not "all for it" as you say, i just cant see what the problem is, it's being made into a massive issue, but why? how can it possibly affect anybody's world in a detrimental way?

and from what i can see it just people complaining about it for the sake of it, it doesn't reduce anybody's civil liberties etc. I havnt seen 1 good reason as to why providing ID at polling station is an issue.

in an age where there appears to be influence from other countries, (there has been evidence of russian influence), and there is a real possibility of election fraud (it did happen in the US, but not on a large enough scale to tip the balance of the outcome), not saying there has been, but it is possible.

i genuinely cannot see what the issue is.

does peoples computers, phones and tablets do security updates? and do people allow those security updates?, think of providing ID as a security update.

People also cant be worried about there information being stolen... News Flash it already has been and done so for years by the likes of facebook, google and amazon, Tesco started it with the clubcard scheme.

 

[EFLImpudence]

But to actually vote you need your voter registration card (just like your voter paper in UK),

Not so.

You tell them your name and address and they mark you off their list of voters (electoral roll?).

 

[Captain Nemesis]

If I.D. is not required to vote, what is to stop someone walking into a voting station and stealing your vote and then going to another voting station and stealing someone elses vote.

When you have evidence that that is happening, come back and make the case for voter ID documentation again.

 

[sxturbo]

And increasingly, younger people who live in cities and have no need to ever drive.

not solely that....

From Auto Express

Young people are also said to be increasingly living in urbanised areas, meaning they have less use for cars due to better access to public transport; the researchers noted there had only been a “small increase in trips per person by public transport”, however.

More likely causes for the reduction in car use among young people include “long-term change in the nature of employment” together with “increasing use of ICTs” - information communication technologies, or smartphones and computers. The driving test increasing in difficulty, the cost of driving growing, and young people living with their parents for longer than they used to were also cited as possible reasons.

 

[sxturbo]

When you have evidence that that is happening, come back and make the case for voter ID documentation again.

you still havnt made a case as to why not have voter ID.