Yes, if only I knew you've been in a Fiat 127 Sport.If only you knew, Johnny.... if only you knew...
Top of the range in your vast experience...
Insurance fraud?
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Top of the range in your vast experience...
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And yet johnny2007 STILL won't say what features he considers are those of a "luxury" car (except not being a Fiat 127, I guess).
Do we think that that might be because even he realises that his confected shell of falsehoods and delusions will crack under the weight of facts if he were to articulate features which, inevitably, will turn out to be present in EVs as well?
Do we think that that might be because even he realises that his confected shell of falsehoods and delusions will crack under the weight of facts if he were to articulate features which, inevitably, will turn out to be present in EVs as well?
It's a petrol engined car.
Therefore, according to your belief system, it is superior to all EVs.
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He's just digging himself a deeper and deeper hole. He's pining for his old A6 (the one that could do a 4.5 second 0-60
but was too old and dirty to meet the London low emissions zone requirements). I'm not sure if he's aware that Audi themselves make EVs with all the same luxury features as they put in their ICEs... The trouble is, anyone else would know that you were taking the pi$$ out them by saying that.... 
Air suspension, is little to do with luxury, it's more about weight carrying ability, and keeping a vehicle automatically level on the road. Trucks and buses use it, it was an option with mine. As we all know, EV's are heavy.
You mentioned quietness, if you ever sat in a luxury car, not latest plastic carp, you would know how silent they are.
You would also know how the 4 corners have adaptable and intelligent air suspension: no noise when going over potholes or on rough tarmac.
Seats? Well, because of the green terrorists and cost cutting (aka fooling the customers) they can't/won't use proper soft leather anymore, so there's no comparison there.
The oly good leather is now found only in super expensive cars (Rolls Royce, etc.)
Happy now?
There is another one with only 3 functional neurons...
Nice try, but only half a cigar. Citroen were first to do it (albeit not in the form we see on most air-suspension cars today), back in the 1950s. They very quickly gained a reputation for that "magic carpet ride" that you just can't get on steel springs. So much so, that Rolls Royce used a variation on that system under licence (what with them being "luxury" cars & all). I think Mercedes did something similar. The key difference, is that it self-levels. That enables you to use a really low spring rate. If you tried to have a steel spring with the same spring rate, it would ride beautifully with just the driver in it, but it would sit on its bumpstops when the car had more weight in it. Once the system can self-level, you can have the best of both wolds. A low spring rate, giving a nice comfy ride, AND adequate ground clearance under all conditions.
More recently, luxury (oh look! There's that word again!) car manufacturers have gone over to the "dry" air suspension systems that we see today - partly because the materials technology now gives us bags that are reasonably durable, and partly because it's a lot cheaper than a full Citroen-style system. Again, once you have such a system, you can also use it to raise ground clearance for rough roads, which is why its popular on luxury (ooops! did it again...) offroaders like Range Rovers. Even some of the more luxurious Audis use it... (which Jonnny will know all about because he knows about "luxury" cars...
In fact, Maybe his A6 had air suspension?Tucks and busses use it because the weight difference on the axles between empty and laden is massive, so they skip all over the place unladen, which damages roads. As they get tax breaks for "road-friendly suspension, it's worth the extra to fit them.
You'd better tell Harry. He doesn't seem to think air suspension has anything to do with luxury...
And you'll be able to tell us what legislation has banned leather seats won't you?
(Of course you will...)
How silent was your A6 LeMans?
Did your A6 LeMans have air suspension?
Were you not happy with the leather in your A6 LeMans?
Does the feel of luxury continue when the car is moving? How quiet is one of them then? Do they have air suspension?
Remind me which ones had air suspension?
Bonus Question:
What do the following have in common?
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model X
Jaguar I-Pace
Audi A6 e-tron
Did I mention legislation?You'd better tell Harry. He doesn't seem to think air suspension has anything to do with luxury...
And you'll be able to tell us what legislation has banned leather seats won't you?
(Of course you will...)
Tell your 3 neurons to pay attention.
More silent than a Tesla.
Unless you were out of the car of course (better state the obvious with certain people)
Of course, all 4 corners self levelling and able to raise and lower.
Velona leather hand stitched in Italy, £5k optional extra... Say no more
Of course, of course, of course...
They're all made cheaply with recycled plastic and lithium and cobalt mined by children.
They're also super expensive to maintain given that just a tyre costs as much as an hatchback.
You do struggle to understand and get things right - The description you were looking for, for the Citroen suspension, was 'hydropneumatic'. It was a liquid (oil) combined with air suspension. Having both driven Citroens, as well as ridden in Citroens in that era, I found it rather wallowy, rather like being at sea. As you rightly suggest, the major point was the suspension able to cope well with a highly variable load. I also seem to remember BL tried a similar idea, on some of their vehicles, such as the Princess.
To be honest, I am finding your constant bragging and defence of your EV, and it's 'special qualities' rather tiresome. If it's really that good, then I am sure it will sell itself, without your help.
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