Internally insulating solid walls for better U Values

That sounds like the worst charity appeal TV advert ever. Remaining jokes withheld because, well, not really a laughing matter.

I'd class the ACM as more of an accelerant than fuel, although of course accelerants are a subset of fuel.
I am currently watching several high-rise blocks have the aluminium cladding taken off, the celotex insulation removed, rockwool put in it's place and then the same cladding panels refitted.

So someone somewhere must think that celotex is a bit more than an accelerant.
 
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I beleive they should meet BS5733 so long as it doesn't exceed 63A..
5733 is 9 years old and the amendment is 5 years old. I suspect new information has come to light since.

In any case that's a standard for the actual accessory and does not consider the instalation within the structure and its fire performance as a whole.
 
I am currently watching several high-rise blocks have the aluminium cladding taken off, the celotex insulation removed, rockwool put in it's place and then the same cladding panels refitted.

So someone somewhere must think that celotex is a bit more than an accelerant.
You might be right that PIR isn't suitable for high rise buildings in any form, but that's not what the Grenfell report says (to be fair, they're going to cover that more in part 2, so they still might). Nor is removal of one (dangerous) form of insulation system evidence that all the components aren't suitable for high rises.

And none of it shows that the materials can't be used safely elsewhere. Such as in houses.
 
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For the Celotex and Kingspan that I have in my house, I did a fire test using my propane blow torch and could not get it to form a flame (it simply blackened). (Of course I realise that this scenario is different to Grenfell).

So with regards to my home, with it encapsulated between a wall and 12mm of plasterboard, I class it at a much lower fire risk than my Osmo soaked floorboards and doors.
SFK
 
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For the Celotex and Kingspan that I have in my house, I did a fire test using my propane blow torch and could not get it to form a flame (it simply blackened). (Of course I realise that this scenario is different to Grenfell).

So with regards to my home, with it encapsulated between a wall and 12mm of plasterboard, I class it at a much lower fire risk than my Osmo soaked floorboards and doors.
SFK
Celotex has previously withdrawn several products following a review. Perhaps your non flammable type is one that remains.

However proper testing (as opposed to propane testing) in light of Grenfell does not concur with your tests, ie it burns and burns well.
 
However proper testing (as opposed to propane testing) in light of Grenfell does not concur with your tests, ie it burns and burns well.

From what I understand, it was the specific combination of PIR and ACM that was the issue, and that BRE tests with PIR and other cladding passed the requisite fire tests. However PIR and ACM was never tested in the arrangement as it was installed.

Apparently ACM passed as well, I imagine in conjunction with rockwool, for example.

It was probably cheaper to replace the PIR than it was to replace the ACM
 
So, back to the thin plastic socket boxes surrounded by flammable or inflammable insulation. Which is it, how does anyone know, and will the insurance pay out with this bit of risky/non risky construction?
 
It's probably not that risky, if it was a shower cable termination or a consumer unit I'd say there's more chance of a fire, but a lowly socket would be not the most dangerous thing in the house.
If the whole thing is covered in plasterboard with little gap then the insulation isn't going to really burn
 
I have removed the skirting boards in preparation for installing the celotex boards to the walls. The walls are as plumb as i have ever seen but there finish has not been taken all the way down to the floorboards and so there is a 5mm-10mm difference over the bottom 150mm. Do i need to patch these in with some bonding plaster or just apply an more generous amount of the board adhesive i these areas? Another option would be to fix thin timber strips at the very bottom and 50mm up from the floor?

What do you advise?

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I take the insulation to floor level, with floorboards up to the new plasterboard, rather than put on top of the floorboards.
 
The floorboards are being removed and then re cut to fit after the insulation and plasterboard have been installed. My query is the 5mm-10mm recess where the old skirting boards were installed. Will the insulation boards just fly past this? I dont want any excessive flex at low level.
 
Just put a bit extra adhesive there, it won't cause a problem.
 
I would use these but i can find any that you can fit circular conduit to. I want to run all the cable routing within the wall for the spark to pull his cables through so had planned metal boxes with conduit attached
If there's no hole then just use a 20mm holesaw to put the opening for the conduit where you want it?
 
From what I understand, it was the specific combination of PIR and ACM that was the issue, and that BRE tests with PIR and other cladding passed the requisite fire tests. However PIR and ACM was never tested in the arrangement as it was installed.

Apparently ACM passed as well, I imagine in conjunction with rockwool, for example.

It was probably cheaper to replace the PIR than it was to replace the ACM
Apologies, but I wanted to comment re Grenfell.
If you look at the BRE documents re green credentials/energy efficiency submitted as part of the planning application, they stipulated "rockwool or similar". I don't think the change to celotex was never officially amended, at least not in these documents.
They also originally stipulated some sort of community heating system, but this was later changed to gas boilers in individual flats. Interestingly, the "green" score fell below that required by RBKC,even with the rockwool spec', but RBKC waived it and said it wasn't practical to achieve the usually required score for Grenfell.
So many factors came into play that night, including crucially, the fact that there was a gap between the insulation and the original fabric of the building high I believe was related to the way the new windows had been installed. Essentially the gap (which had inadequate fire breaks)acted like a chimney, allowing the fire to spread very quickly up the outside of the building.I believe the window frames melted due to the intense heat.
The whole refurb' was a recipe for a disaster waiting to happen.
Seems like lessons weren't learned from the Lakanal House fire etc.
Having lived (briefly!) in a mid rise 60's council owned block, investigated, researched and complained about fire safety to the ALMO and experienced 4 small fires in the space of 6 months, including a deliberate arson attack, it's fair to say that even the basics of fire safety in many of these blocks aren't up to standard. I'm talking about fire doors, dry risers, automatic windows in stairwells,the fact that often nobody inspects the inside of flats inhabited by people who are at highest risk of fire, not even as part of Fire risk assessments, which usually only include the communal areas. Also communication cables running inside plywood boxing along the full length of corridors supplying individual flats, with no firebreaks.
The basis of the fire procedures in these blocks (that don't have building wide fire alarms, or sprinklers) is the compartmentation between individual flats and flats and communal areas, but it appears that owners, ALMO's and often the fire services refuse to acknowledge that rarely, if ever, is this intact.
 
It is shocking that nobody has been prosecuted for Grenfell. I remember reading a few years back about a landlord that went to prison for 6 months for breaching fire safety rules - there wasn't even a fire! There have been many similar cases.
 

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