IRA ceasefire

[Freddie]

Ternestatha or Noze daa tha whye

Ok i give up what does it mean?

Ternestatha or Noze daa tha whye. means Good night to you.

nite nite sleep tight

 

[Richardp]

I was talking about civilians but More than 3,200 people on both sides have died since what the Irish call “the Troubles” began in 1969.Since the late 1960s, the IRA has killed about 1,800 people, including about 650 civilians. The IRA’s primary targets were British troops, police officers, prison guards, and judges—many of them unarmed or off-duty—as well as rival paramilitary militants, drug dealers, and informers in Ulster.

 

[Richardp]

yes I'm off zzzzzzzzzz

 

[Freddie]

And anybody else who got in their way north or south

 

[Big_Spark]

But i havent said what you implied i meant at the beginning of your post-------------the British army was sent to the North to protect the catholics from the Protestant not Loyalist thugs----------the IRA stood for I Ran Away in those days and got a lot of ridicule from catholics so they formed the Provisionals and in their great scheme of the things killed a British soldier because they couldnt have an occupying force in Ireland as they put it, and i think one of those founder members of the Provisionals is the man who started the Real IRA

I was simply refering to the couple of word comment you made that was all, however the rest of the post quoted above is, with respect, and I do not mean this nastily, BULLSHIIT.

The Provisional IRA was formed originally in 1829, but was more about civil disobediance and minor attacks on the English establishment. During the 1916 uprising the IRA played a significant role, but was originally disbanded in 1924, only to be reformed briefly in the late 1930's but was again disbanded. It reformed again in 1969 as the clandestine armed wing of Sinn Fein, a legal political movement dedicated to removing British forces from Northern Ireland and unifying Ireland. Has a Marxist orientation. Organized into small, tightly knit cells under the leadership of the Army Council.

That is the Irish Governments take on the thing.

Nowheer was it ever called I ran Away, that was simply an acronym given to it by British Army Units in the early 1970's, and the name has stuck from time to time.

The Guy who started the Real or True IRA was a member of the Army Council from 1972 to 1986 when he was removed as being too radical, after being involved in some IRA activety, he formed the RIRA in 1996 and can honestly be called an "Extremist" .

 

[Freddie]

Crap.

 

[Big_Spark]

Freddie, I suggest you look for authorititive sources of Information, like the Irish Government, the US State Dept, the Home Office, Sinn Fein and not forgeting their own bloody website..

It seems odd that you know more about the IRA than it does about itself!!

 

[Freddie]

Well you must be right

 

[Big_Spark]

Feddie, your comment about the IRA are historically and factually inaccurate.

The IRA REFORMED at the start of the current troubles, it did not suddenly sprout into being, further, it was not called the IRA because it meant, as you claim, "I Ran Away". As I said, that was a name created by Bristish Trrops in Ulster in the early 1970's.

Freddie, all I am saying is that if you want to make a comment about the overall subject then your opinion is OK, but if you start to claim this that and the other, then make sure your information is accurate, that was why I went to the websites I mentioned to confirm what I thought was true but was unsure, so checked it out prior to posting.

 

[Freddie]

dunno

 

[Richardp]

Major loyalist attacks include:

The UVF’s 1966 shooting of four Catholics, one fatally, outside a Belfast pub. This attack was the first major act of sectarian violence since Ireland was divided, and it spurred Catholic activism, which soon turned violent.
The UVF’s 1969 bombing of a power station near Belfast. Initially attributed to the IRA, this attack also helped trigger the Troubles.
The UVF’s 1971 bombing of a Belfast pub, which killed 15 people.
A pair of UVF bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, both in the Republic of Ireland, on May 17, 1974, that killed 33 civilians, making this day the deadliest of the conflict.
The UDA’s October 1993 machine-gun attack on a bar in the Northern Ireland town of Greysteel, which killed eight civilians.
The LVF killing of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams’ nephew in January 1998.
A fierce campaign of intimidation and abuse of Catholic schoolgirls in Belfast between June and October 2001.

 

[Freddie]

Major loyalist attacks include:

The UVF’s 1966 shooting of four Catholics, one fatally, outside a Belfast pub. This attack was the first major act of sectarian violence since Ireland was divided, and it spurred Catholic activism, which soon turned violent.
The UVF’s 1969 bombing of a power station near Belfast. Initially attributed to the IRA, this attack also helped trigger the Troubles.
The UVF’s 1971 bombing of a Belfast pub, which killed 15 people.
A pair of UVF bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, both in the Republic of Ireland, on May 17, 1974, that killed 33 civilians, making this day the deadliest of the conflict.
The UDA’s October 1993 machine-gun attack on a bar in the Northern Ireland town of Greysteel, which killed eight civilians.
The LVF killing of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams’ nephew in January 1998.
A fierce campaign of intimidation and abuse of Catholic schoolgirls in Belfast between June and October 2001.

I am not here to score points on baddies Richard as my views are already out there, but i bet you can add many more to this list but the one deviding factor on your list and the other load of crap is they all took place in what those people regard as their own country against what they saw as an enemy within or just an excuse to kill a catholic.

 

[Richardp]

and there's some lovely poetry

 

[Freddie]

and there's some lovely poetry

Dont forget the wall murials

They still hate each other with a passion though probably even more so now, the only difference now than before is that the Loyalists now hate the British goverment as well.

 

[Richardp]

Bobby Sands