is 20k enough

[noseall]

I would never attempt a full construction project, and I also wouldn't expect a tradesman to do my job managing global data networks. I however, wouldn't call someone a tradie knobber, or anything similar.

No. But you are happy for us menial trades-people to do our job for free?

 

[cajar]

If a family member was starting up a business that relied heavily on data networks, and had not budgeted for IT because they expected you to set up and configure a cisco router, data line, server and managed switch at 20 sites round the country, plus specify and configure the server and database, would you not think that was taking the p?

You might be happy advising them what to buy etc but it would be do much to expect you to do it all for free as well.

 

[cajar]

Do you think there are many family members out there willing to help a struggling builder and offer to say, pay him double?

If family members are so fond of each other then shouldn't it be a two way thing?

You often find that if you are the family member with a van, you will alway come off worse.

Lets face it, what can office knobbers actually offer?

How true. When people 'help out' a struggling tradesman, they never pay above the price, it's only along the lines of getting him to do more jobs for his normal rate. Not to sound ungrateful, but compare that to when a family member is struggling and needs the tradesman, they expect a cut in price.

 

[Whitespirit66]

Working for friends and family is always frought with problems.

Avoid!

 

[skotl]

I think that we've strayed from the original point somewhat.

We have just had an extension, some demolition, a new kitchen, etc and it cost 70k. So 20k? I'm afraid not.
First off, vat is a killer. With vat your £20k is actually £16k.

Next, forget materials (as if) we had five guys for six months. Assuming an average salary of £20k that's £50k before you turn round. And before you factor any kind of profit for the builder (it is a business, after all)

Twenty grand is fantasy, I'm afraid.

 

[GavThePlumber]

Office knobbers? I work in an office, and I am always helping family fix their computer, put up a shelf, changing a socket, fitting a satellite dish, decorating, laying floors, helping fill out tax forms.... I never ask for money nor would I accept it.

I think you missed the point, i don't think anyone minds helping a family out for simple stuff like you have listed.

Putting massive amounts of time in, for no benefit at all for the person doing the work, is just idiotic thinking.

Would you come and sit at a desk in my cellar for 80 hours staring at a screen and expect no money at all?

 

[marsaday]

My loft conversion cost £13k and i did it mostly myself. The sparky was the only paid trades. My mate was paid to lift the steel into place with his equipment, but that was all. Includes bld regs and a design.

Prices were lower in 2010 though, but you could do it for your price, but i imagine a more realistic budget is £25k.

 

[leeco]

My loft conversion cost £13k and i did it mostly myself. The sparky was the only paid trades. My mate was paid to lift the steel into place with his equipment, but that was all. Includes bld regs and a design.

Prices were lower in 2010 though, but you could do it for your price, but i imagine a more realistic budget is £25k.

I think my dads loft we did was about £9k but we did everything and no equipment to lift the steel

I didn't get paid nothing as usual.

 

[GavThePlumber]

I didn't get paid nothing as usual.

You are lucky you weren't just a blowjob