Is it time to bring out our Special Forces?

[EFLImpudence]

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[terrypin]

@ wwt
Ok, anyone who dares speak out about Islam is Islamaphobic?

You enjoy freedom of speech as long as the opinions suit you, if not you and your ilk add an ism or phobic in an attempt to discredit and suppress that opinion.

Btw, I don't hate immigrants, I don't hate Muslims but I strongly dislike those people that are so up themselves that they refuse to get off their pc pedestal from where they preach and falsely accuse.

Depends what "speak out about Islam" means. If you say "I don't like the fact that it forces women to wear a head scarf and forbids drinking alcohol", it is an acceptable view. Just as you might say that you do not like the Catholic prohibition on contraception. But that is not the issue. All too often posts here conflate Izal and Muslims, make statements along the lines of "Immigrants are rapists", mention Muslims, then move straight over to discussing an atrocity by Izal and so on. And when confronted with proof that something is either not true, or misleading, the response is often abuse along the lies of "F off you left wing Muslim loving tosspot". For your information I am not Muslim and I am not related in any way to a Muslim.

You saw how Storms was attacked BECAUSE he was Muslim, although I don't condone his subsequent abusive responses. Some of you showed your true colours and hatred for Muslims in that thread didn't you? Don't hate Muslims? ******, some of you loathe them.

Ffs, how hard is it to see? He was not attacked because he's a Muslim, he attacked others because he is a Muslim. He didn't like the fact that his religion was questioned and some on here stated they didn't like the Islamic faith, which they are entitled to do. He showed absolutely no respect for the opinions of others, so why should he be shown respect?

He's quite within his rights to show his dislike of other faiths as I, and others, share those very same rights that he has.

What you see as a mess attack can be easily explained. You had a number of posters(non Muslims)airing their opinions and one Muslim airing his, of course he was outnumbered, but your interpretation was 'he's being bullied'. Utter rubbish, it was just a bunch of people with opinions that differed, that's all.

I think, on the thread in question, it's whether the chicken or the egg came first.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

@ wwt
Ok, anyone who dares speak out about Islam is Islamaphobic?

You enjoy freedom of speech as long as the opinions suit you, if not you and your ilk add an ism or phobic in an attempt to discredit and suppress that opinion.

Btw, I don't hate immigrants, I don't hate Muslims but I strongly dislike those people that are so up themselves that they refuse to get off their pc pedestal from where they preach and falsely accuse.

Depends what "speak out about Islam" means. If you say "I don't like the fact that it forces women to wear a head scarf and forbids drinking alcohol", it is an acceptable view. Just as you might say that you do not like the Catholic prohibition on contraception. But that is not the issue. All too often posts here conflate Izal and Muslims, make statements along the lines of "Immigrants are rapists", mention Muslims, then move straight over to discussing an atrocity by Izal and so on. And when confronted with proof that something is either not true, or misleading, the response is often abuse along the lies of "F off you left wing Muslim loving tosspot". For your information I am not Muslim and I am not related in any way to a Muslim.

You saw how Storms was attacked BECAUSE he was Muslim, although I don't condone his subsequent abusive responses. Some of you showed your true colours and hatred for Muslims in that thread didn't you? Don't hate Muslims? ******, some of you loathe them.

Ffs, how hard is it to see? He was not attacked because he's a Muslim, he attacked others because he is a Muslim. He didn't like the fact that his religion was questioned and some on here stated they didn't like the Islamic faith, which they are entitled to do. He showed absolutely no respect for the opinions of others, so why should he be shown respect?

He's quite within his rights to show his dislike of other faiths as I, and others, share those very same rights that he has.

What you see as a mess attack can be easily explained. You had a number of posters(non Muslims)airing their opinions and one Muslim airing his, of course he was outnumbered, but your interpretation was 'he's being bullied'. Utter rubbish, it was just a bunch of people with opinions that differed, that's all.

I think, on the thread in question, it's whether the chicken or the egg came first.

Sorry mate, I read that thread, and I clearly recall that he was repeatedly asked to condemn the Paris murders, despite having done so earlier in the thread, which is why I quoted his earlier condemnation. He was initially very polite. The 'fact' that he had not condemned the attacks (when he had) was used as 'proof' that he sympathised with them and it turned very nasty. He certainly did attack others, he was clearly provoked, not that I condone his insults.

Imagine someone calling you a paedophile, or a rapist, or a sympathiser with such people. You'd do your nut matey boy. As would I in that position.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

A rough estimate says that 1% of all rapes lead to a conviction. It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police, and more likely to lead to a conviction. .

Fookin brill. Even rape victims are racist it appears.

Tosh.

Oh and the police are racist too! As above..... "It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police". It's in black and white, you just wrote it.

Why are so few rapes reported? There are many answers to this question. If the rape is by a friend or family member, the victim might be too scared to report it. Or too worried that other relatives will ridicule them. If the victim was at a party and intoxicated, they might be scared of humiliation at trial, and being blamed. If the rape was while walking home, by a stranger, that is surely likely to be reported.

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove. And we all know that perception counts. A well spoken relative with a stable job is likely to be more convincing than a poorly educated immigrant possibly with poor language skills. And the latter is less likely to have a good lawyer. I have quoted elsewhere of the example whereby my step brother got off a '**** bashing' charge despite being guilty as sin, after my well spoken father stated in court that it was "just two groups of kids fighting". In other words, he attacked some British Asians, and got off scot free.

I'm not saying the above IS the case, but if you read around, you'll see that rape is notoriously under prosecuted.

And when dealing with potentially inflammatory statistics, such as the Swedish one, you have to be very careful to understand exactly what it says, and what it does not say. Whereas here the tendency is to see it as saying "Immigrants commit 60% of Swedish rapes" and "Sweden is undergoing a massive increase in rapes". Neither is supported by the evidence.

 

[joe-90]

If there were less immigrants in Sweden then there would be less rapes. Simple maths really.

 

[terrypin]

Wwt

It seems strange that so many missed his "condemnation" but you highlighted it, much further into the thread. Maybe you saw it after he'd edited it and others missed it because they read it before?

You mistake anger, disgust and hatred of Islam as being anger, disgust and hatred of Muslims.

And to bolster your defence of Islam you label everyone as bullying Islamaphobic idiots. Just like storm, you don't practice what you preach.

May I just add, storm's show of sympathy for the victims and families of, he couldn't be bothered to use a capital P in paris.

And if you don't understand the significance may I suggest a little bit of digging.

 

[handyjack]

If they are unreported, did they actually happen.

If they are not prosecuted/convicted they never happened. Simples.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

I saw his condemnation of the Paris bombings soon after it was posted, and before accusations appeared. He described it along the lines of "disgusting and appalling", I cannot remember the words used.

he couldn't be bothered to use a capital P in paris.

Why on Earth didn't you provide this damning evidence before? He is obviously a wrong un. Case closed. Next

And if you don't understand the significance may I suggest a little bit of digging.

I use the no dig approach to growing veggies. However, a couple of bare root plum trees arrive next week, so I will be able to follow your suggestion. And in case you are in future tempted to suggest some jam making, last night I made medlar jelly.

 

[terrypin]

Do you have political aspirations?

You really are naive.

Btw. You're talking ball cocks if you think a posh accent gets a racist thug off assault charges, it means the prosecution failed, simple, really.

As for trumped up drugs charges and fit ups by undercover cops, I really can't make you out.

 

[fender]

A rough estimate says that 1% of all rapes lead to a conviction. It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police, and more likely to lead to a conviction. .

Fookin brill. Even rape victims are racist it appears.

Tosh.

Oh and the police are racist too! As above..... "It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police". It's in black and white, you just wrote it.

Why are so few rapes reported? There are many answers to this question. If the rape is by a friend or family member, the victim might be too scared to report it. Or too worried that other relatives will ridicule them. If the victim was at a party and intoxicated, they might be scared of humiliation at trial, and being blamed. If the rape was while walking home, by a stranger, that is surely likely to be reported.

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove. And we all know that perception counts. A well spoken relative with a stable job is likely to be more convincing than a poorly educated immigrant possibly with poor language skills. And the latter is less likely to have a good lawyer. I have quoted elsewhere of the example whereby my step brother got off a '**** bashing' charge despite being guilty as sin, after my well spoken father stated in court that it was "just two groups of kids fighting". In other words, he attacked some British Asians, and got off scot free.

I'm not saying the above IS the case, but if you read around, you'll see that rape is notoriously under prosecuted.

And when dealing with potentially inflammatory statistics, such as the Swedish one, you have to be very careful to understand exactly what it says, and what it does not say. Whereas here the tendency is to see it as saying "Immigrants commit 60% of Swedish rapes" and "Sweden is undergoing a massive increase in rapes". Neither is supported by the evidence.

Nip over to Sweden and ask the women.....I don't think they are too keen on Muslim males. Care to explain why when Muslims move to a certain area, rape goes up? - I suppose that when the Muslims move to that area, for some strange reason the indigenous Swedish guy's suddenly lose their minds and go on a rape rampage?
I suppose it was made up that circa 80% + of the Rotherham rapes / abuse was Muslim males as well??.

I don't have any inbuilt hatred or dislike for Muslims in general, and I doubt the others here do either.

However, I do have a dislike of Muslims (or others) that do the following:

Segregate themselves and set up Sharia law zones.
Send out Muslim patrols.
Bleat and moan when food outlets sell pork, or don't sell Halal.
Use our freedom of speech to protest about freedom of speech.
March on our streets due to a cartoon (ffs....)
Set up Sharia law courts.
Carry out fgm.
Carry out honour killings and beatings.

...and that's just a quick example.

As others have said, how is it that other religions don't seem to get mentioned anywhere near as much as Islam?

You just see what you want to see and interpret it as you see fit, rather than see what's actually going on.

 

[JBR]

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove.

Of course. There needs to be a minimum of four other males who witnessed the rape for it to be proved.

Or am I thinking of something else?

 

[fender]

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove.

Of course. There needs to be a minimum of four other males who witnessed the rape for it to be proved.

Or am I thinking of something else?

...Wrong!!

It's five isn't it??

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't think it's any in Swedish law.

Perhaps that's why they're being convicted.

 

[fender]

I don't think it's any in Swedish law.

Perhaps that's why they're being convicted.

And a good job too!

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

A rough estimate says that 1% of all rapes lead to a conviction. It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police, and more likely to lead to a conviction. .

Fookin brill. Even rape victims are racist it appears.

Tosh.

Oh and the police are racist too! As above..... "It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police". It's in black and white, you just wrote it.

Why are so few rapes reported? There are many answers to this question. If the rape is by a friend or family member, the victim might be too scared to report it. Or too worried that other relatives will ridicule them. If the victim was at a party and intoxicated, they might be scared of humiliation at trial, and being blamed. If the rape was while walking home, by a stranger, that is surely likely to be reported.

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove. And we all know that perception counts. A well spoken relative with a stable job is likely to be more convincing than a poorly educated immigrant possibly with poor language skills. And the latter is less likely to have a good lawyer. I have quoted elsewhere of the example whereby my step brother got off a '**** bashing' charge despite being guilty as sin, after my well spoken father stated in court that it was "just two groups of kids fighting". In other words, he attacked some British Asians, and got off scot free.

I'm not saying the above IS the case, but if you read around, you'll see that rape is notoriously under prosecuted.

And when dealing with potentially inflammatory statistics, such as the Swedish one, you have to be very careful to understand exactly what it says, and what it does not say. Whereas here the tendency is to see it as saying "Immigrants commit 60% of Swedish rapes" and "Sweden is undergoing a massive increase in rapes". Neither is supported by the evidence.

Nip over to Sweden and ask the women.....I don't think they are too keen on Muslim males. Care to explain why when Muslims move to a certain area, rape goes up? - I suppose that when the Muslims move to that area, for some strange reason the indigenous Swedish guy's suddenly lose their minds and go on a rape rampage?
I suppose it was made up that circa 80% + of the Rotherham rapes / abuse was Muslim males as well??.

I don't have any inbuilt hatred or dislike for Muslims in general, and I doubt the others here do either.

However, I do have a dislike of Muslims (or others) that do the following:

Segregate themselves and set up Sharia law zones.
Send out Muslim patrols.
Bleat and moan when food outlets sell pork, or don't sell Halal.
Use our freedom of speech to protest about freedom of speech.
March on our streets due to a cartoon (ffs....)
Set up Sharia law courts.
Carry out fgm.
Carry out honour killings and beatings.

...and that's just a quick example.

As others have said, how is it that other religions don't seem to get mentioned anywhere near as much as Islam?

You just see what you want to see and interpret it as you see fit, rather than see what's actually going on.

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail. Then again, I'm just someone who lived for maybe 10 years of my life in areas with large Muslim populations, and never once came across any of the 'issues' listed above. What you do is present a grossly unbalanced picture by selecting examples, taking them out of context, exaggerating their prevalence and ignoring negative behaviour of other groups. Some childish nutters organise 'Muslim patrols' in one area and suddenly it becomes a widespread problem assocated with all Muslims. Given that attacks on Muslims by white gangs are common, we should conclude that whites are bad because they organise gangs to beat up Muslims? But that would be silly wouldn't it? Regarding honour killings and beatings, you really think non Muslims do not kill and beat relatives? My late mother was beaten by her first husband, and left him. My step mother was beaten by her first husband. My step brother used to beat his girlfriend. A friend's sister was beaten up by her fiance. My friend left a phone message threatening to beat him up if he didn't stop hitting her, and he was taken to court and given a criminal record. Physical assaults against women are a widespread issue. And do you think that murder does not occur among non Muslims? That non Muslims do not murder their wives? Do you have ANY evidence that it is significantly worse among Muslims? Or are you just showing your prejudices?

I'm not ignoring bad behaviour by Muslims as and when it occurs. Gang rapes by Pakistani heritage gangs are disgusting and should be tackled. Wife beating is disgusting. It is the way that you demonise Muslims that I object to, the exaggeration, the tarring of them all with the same stereotypical and grossly exaggerated image, the way that you select examples of disgusting behaviour by a few and generalise to them all.

You say you are not anti-Muslim. The truth is that you and a few others here loathe Muslims. That is quite clear from your post.