Is it time to bring out our Special Forces?

[terrypin]

A rough estimate says that 1% of all rapes lead to a conviction. It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police, and more likely to lead to a conviction. .

Fookin brill. Even rape victims are racist it appears.

Tosh.

Oh and the police are racist too! As above..... "It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police". It's in black and white, you just wrote it.

Why are so few rapes reported? There are many answers to this question. If the rape is by a friend or family member, the victim might be too scared to report it. Or too worried that other relatives will ridicule them. If the victim was at a party and intoxicated, they might be scared of humiliation at trial, and being blamed. If the rape was while walking home, by a stranger, that is surely likely to be reported.

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove. And we all know that perception counts. A well spoken relative with a stable job is likely to be more convincing than a poorly educated immigrant possibly with poor language skills. And the latter is less likely to have a good lawyer. I have quoted elsewhere of the example whereby my step brother got off a '**** bashing' charge despite being guilty as sin, after my well spoken father stated in court that it was "just two groups of kids fighting". In other words, he attacked some British Asians, and got off scot free.

I'm not saying the above IS the case, but if you read around, you'll see that rape is notoriously under prosecuted.

And when dealing with potentially inflammatory statistics, such as the Swedish one, you have to be very careful to understand exactly what it says, and what it does not say. Whereas here the tendency is to see it as saying "Immigrants commit 60% of Swedish rapes" and "Sweden is undergoing a massive increase in rapes". Neither is supported by the evidence.

Nip over to Sweden and ask the women.....I don't think they are too keen on Muslim males. Care to explain why when Muslims move to a certain area, rape goes up? - I suppose that when the Muslims move to that area, for some strange reason the indigenous Swedish guy's suddenly lose their minds and go on a rape rampage?
I suppose it was made up that circa 80% + of the Rotherham rapes / abuse was Muslim males as well??.

I don't have any inbuilt hatred or dislike for Muslims in general, and I doubt the others here do either.

However, I do have a dislike of Muslims (or others) that do the following:

Segregate themselves and set up Sharia law zones.
Send out Muslim patrols.
Bleat and moan when food outlets sell pork, or don't sell Halal.
Use our freedom of speech to protest about freedom of speech.
March on our streets due to a cartoon (ffs....)
Set up Sharia law courts.
Carry out fgm.
Carry out honour killings and beatings.

...and that's just a quick example.

As others have said, how is it that other religions don't seem to get mentioned anywhere near as much as Islam?

You just see what you want to see and interpret it as you see fit, rather than see what's actually going on.

You forget being allowed to preach hatred and death towards infidels.

If it were a white, non Islamic preacher he'd be prosecuted(and jailed)for inciting murder and racial disharmony, amongst others.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Where else do you find FGM at huge % of population? Who else stones people to death for petty issues?

 

[fender]

A rough estimate says that 1% of all rapes lead to a conviction. It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police, and more likely to lead to a conviction. .

Fookin brill. Even rape victims are racist it appears.

Tosh.

Oh and the police are racist too! As above..... "It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police". It's in black and white, you just wrote it.

Why are so few rapes reported? There are many answers to this question. If the rape is by a friend or family member, the victim might be too scared to report it. Or too worried that other relatives will ridicule them. If the victim was at a party and intoxicated, they might be scared of humiliation at trial, and being blamed. If the rape was while walking home, by a stranger, that is surely likely to be reported.

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove. And we all know that perception counts. A well spoken relative with a stable job is likely to be more convincing than a poorly educated immigrant possibly with poor language skills. And the latter is less likely to have a good lawyer. I have quoted elsewhere of the example whereby my step brother got off a '**** bashing' charge despite being guilty as sin, after my well spoken father stated in court that it was "just two groups of kids fighting". In other words, he attacked some British Asians, and got off scot free.

I'm not saying the above IS the case, but if you read around, you'll see that rape is notoriously under prosecuted.

And when dealing with potentially inflammatory statistics, such as the Swedish one, you have to be very careful to understand exactly what it says, and what it does not say. Whereas here the tendency is to see it as saying "Immigrants commit 60% of Swedish rapes" and "Sweden is undergoing a massive increase in rapes". Neither is supported by the evidence.

Nip over to Sweden and ask the women.....I don't think they are too keen on Muslim males. Care to explain why when Muslims move to a certain area, rape goes up? - I suppose that when the Muslims move to that area, for some strange reason the indigenous Swedish guy's suddenly lose their minds and go on a rape rampage?
I suppose it was made up that circa 80% + of the Rotherham rapes / abuse was Muslim males as well??.

I don't have any inbuilt hatred or dislike for Muslims in general, and I doubt the others here do either.

However, I do have a dislike of Muslims (or others) that do the following:

Segregate themselves and set up Sharia law zones.
Send out Muslim patrols.
Bleat and moan when food outlets sell pork, or don't sell Halal.
Use our freedom of speech to protest about freedom of speech.
March on our streets due to a cartoon (ffs....)
Set up Sharia law courts.
Carry out fgm.
Carry out honour killings and beatings.

...and that's just a quick example.

As others have said, how is it that other religions don't seem to get mentioned anywhere near as much as Islam?

You just see what you want to see and interpret it as you see fit, rather than see what's actually going on.

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail. Then again, I'm just someone who lived for maybe 10 years of my life in areas with large Muslim populations, and never once came across any of the 'issues' listed above. What you do is present a grossly unbalanced picture by selecting examples, taking them out of context, exaggerating their prevalence and ignoring negative behaviour of other groups. Some childish nutters organise 'Muslim patrols' in one area and suddenly it becomes a widespread problem assocated with all Muslims. Given that attacks on Muslims by white gangs are common, we should conclude that whites are bad because they organise gangs to beat up Muslims? But that would be silly wouldn't it? Regarding honour killings and beatings, you really think non Muslims do not kill and beat relatives? My late mother was beaten by her first husband, and left him. My step mother was beaten by her first husband. My step brother used to beat his girlfriend. A friend's sister was beaten up by her fiance. My friend left a phone message threatening to beat him up if he didn't stop hitting her, and he was taken to court and given a criminal record. Physical assaults against women are a widespread issue. And do you think that murder does not occur among non Muslims? That non Muslims do not murder their wives? Do you have ANY evidence that it is significantly worse among Muslims? Or are you just showing your prejudices?

I'm not ignoring bad behaviour by Muslims as and when it occurs. Gang rapes by Pakistani heritage gangs are disgusting and should be tackled. Wife beating is disgusting. It is the way that you demonise Muslims that I object to, the exaggeration, the tarring of them all with the same stereotypical and grossly exaggerated image, the way that you select examples of disgusting behaviour by a few and generalise to them all.

You say you are not anti-Muslim. The truth is that you and a few others here loathe Muslims. That is quite clear from your post.

And it's clear from your posts that you still interpret issues as you see fit.
I've worked with and in Muslim communities as well, and I beg to differ with your stance.

And the truth is, I could not really give a toss what you think of myself or the others that dare stand up and criticize the great can do no wrong r.o.p.....

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

A rough estimate says that 1% of all rapes lead to a conviction. It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police, and more likely to lead to a conviction. .

Fookin brill. Even rape victims are racist it appears.

Tosh.

Oh and the police are racist too! As above..... "It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police". It's in black and white, you just wrote it.

Why are so few rapes reported? There are many answers to this question. If the rape is by a friend or family member, the victim might be too scared to report it. Or too worried that other relatives will ridicule them. If the victim was at a party and intoxicated, they might be scared of humiliation at trial, and being blamed. If the rape was while walking home, by a stranger, that is surely likely to be reported.

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove. And we all know that perception counts. A well spoken relative with a stable job is likely to be more convincing than a poorly educated immigrant possibly with poor language skills. And the latter is less likely to have a good lawyer. I have quoted elsewhere of the example whereby my step brother got off a '**** bashing' charge despite being guilty as sin, after my well spoken father stated in court that it was "just two groups of kids fighting". In other words, he attacked some British Asians, and got off scot free.

I'm not saying the above IS the case, but if you read around, you'll see that rape is notoriously under prosecuted.

And when dealing with potentially inflammatory statistics, such as the Swedish one, you have to be very careful to understand exactly what it says, and what it does not say. Whereas here the tendency is to see it as saying "Immigrants commit 60% of Swedish rapes" and "Sweden is undergoing a massive increase in rapes". Neither is supported by the evidence.

Nip over to Sweden and ask the women.....I don't think they are too keen on Muslim males. Care to explain why when Muslims move to a certain area, rape goes up? - I suppose that when the Muslims move to that area, for some strange reason the indigenous Swedish guy's suddenly lose their minds and go on a rape rampage?
I suppose it was made up that circa 80% + of the Rotherham rapes / abuse was Muslim males as well??.

I don't have any inbuilt hatred or dislike for Muslims in general, and I doubt the others here do either.

However, I do have a dislike of Muslims (or others) that do the following:

Segregate themselves and set up Sharia law zones.
Send out Muslim patrols.
Bleat and moan when food outlets sell pork, or don't sell Halal.
Use our freedom of speech to protest about freedom of speech.
March on our streets due to a cartoon (ffs....)
Set up Sharia law courts.
Carry out fgm.
Carry out honour killings and beatings.

...and that's just a quick example.

As others have said, how is it that other religions don't seem to get mentioned anywhere near as much as Islam?

You just see what you want to see and interpret it as you see fit, rather than see what's actually going on.

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail. Then again, I'm just someone who lived for maybe 10 years of my life in areas with large Muslim populations, and never once came across any of the 'issues' listed above. What you do is present a grossly unbalanced picture by selecting examples, taking them out of context, exaggerating their prevalence and ignoring negative behaviour of other groups. Some childish nutters organise 'Muslim patrols' in one area and suddenly it becomes a widespread problem assocated with all Muslims. Given that attacks on Muslims by white gangs are common, we should conclude that whites are bad because they organise gangs to beat up Muslims? But that would be silly wouldn't it? Regarding honour killings and beatings, you really think non Muslims do not kill and beat relatives? My late mother was beaten by her first husband, and left him. My step mother was beaten by her first husband. My step brother used to beat his girlfriend. A friend's sister was beaten up by her fiance. My friend left a phone message threatening to beat him up if he didn't stop hitting her, and he was taken to court and given a criminal record. Physical assaults against women are a widespread issue. And do you think that murder does not occur among non Muslims? That non Muslims do not murder their wives? Do you have ANY evidence that it is significantly worse among Muslims? Or are you just showing your prejudices?

I'm not ignoring bad behaviour by Muslims as and when it occurs. Gang rapes by Pakistani heritage gangs are disgusting and should be tackled. Wife beating is disgusting. It is the way that you demonise Muslims that I object to, the exaggeration, the tarring of them all with the same stereotypical and grossly exaggerated image, the way that you select examples of disgusting behaviour by a few and generalise to them all.

You say you are not anti-Muslim. The truth is that you and a few others here loathe Muslims. That is quite clear from your post.

And it's clear from your posts that you still interpret issues as you see fit.
I've worked with and in Muslim communities as well, and I beg to differ with your stance.

And the truth is, I could not really give a toss what you think of myself or the others that dare stand up and criticize the great can do no wrong r.o.p.....

Because I do not demonise Muslims, does not mean that I think they can do no wrong. The radicalisation of a (tiny) minority is a serious issue and was ignored for years.

Then again, like the others here, you love to paint this in black and white terms (no pun intended). This is not a black and white issue. It is not them bad, us good, or us bad and them good.

Oh, and some people here need to develop a critical eye with regard to propaganda. They have no problem seeing the bias in BBC reports, which does exist. But present a video from some anti-Muslim group, and it is accepted without question.

 

[fender]

@WWT,

Look,
I demonise those who deserve to be demonised.
You do make valid points on occasions, and putting any sarcasm / abuse to one side - I can see that you are probably a good person, but I think the number of radicals / borderline radicals is considerably higher than people think - and that I feel is the elephant in the room, which you also can't / don't want to see.

I've said it many times before, I'm not racist and I'm not anti Muslim, but I do feel very strongly with regard to the types I listed earlier.
You can tar me how you see fit - sticks and stones...

As I said, I have reasons for taking a different stance, but it's not really anyone's business.

 

[terrypin]

A rough estimate says that 1% of all rapes lead to a conviction. It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police, and more likely to lead to a conviction. .

Fookin brill. Even rape victims are racist it appears.

Tosh.

Oh and the police are racist too! As above..... "It could be that those raped by an immigrant are more likely to report the rape, more likely to be believed by the police". It's in black and white, you just wrote it.

Why are so few rapes reported? There are many answers to this question. If the rape is by a friend or family member, the victim might be too scared to report it. Or too worried that other relatives will ridicule them. If the victim was at a party and intoxicated, they might be scared of humiliation at trial, and being blamed. If the rape was while walking home, by a stranger, that is surely likely to be reported.

Why do so few rape trials result in a prosecution? Because it is so hard to prove. And we all know that perception counts. A well spoken relative with a stable job is likely to be more convincing than a poorly educated immigrant possibly with poor language skills. And the latter is less likely to have a good lawyer. I have quoted elsewhere of the example whereby my step brother got off a '**** bashing' charge despite being guilty as sin, after my well spoken father stated in court that it was "just two groups of kids fighting". In other words, he attacked some British Asians, and got off scot free.

I'm not saying the above IS the case, but if you read around, you'll see that rape is notoriously under prosecuted.

And when dealing with potentially inflammatory statistics, such as the Swedish one, you have to be very careful to understand exactly what it says, and what it does not say. Whereas here the tendency is to see it as saying "Immigrants commit 60% of Swedish rapes" and "Sweden is undergoing a massive increase in rapes". Neither is supported by the evidence.

Nip over to Sweden and ask the women.....I don't think they are too keen on Muslim males. Care to explain why when Muslims move to a certain area, rape goes up? - I suppose that when the Muslims move to that area, for some strange reason the indigenous Swedish guy's suddenly lose their minds and go on a rape rampage?
I suppose it was made up that circa 80% + of the Rotherham rapes / abuse was Muslim males as well??.

I don't have any inbuilt hatred or dislike for Muslims in general, and I doubt the others here do either.

However, I do have a dislike of Muslims (or others) that do the following:

Segregate themselves and set up Sharia law zones.
Send out Muslim patrols.
Bleat and moan when food outlets sell pork, or don't sell Halal.
Use our freedom of speech to protest about freedom of speech.
March on our streets due to a cartoon (ffs....)
Set up Sharia law courts.
Carry out fgm.
Carry out honour killings and beatings.

...and that's just a quick example.

As others have said, how is it that other religions don't seem to get mentioned anywhere near as much as Islam?

You just see what you want to see and interpret it as you see fit, rather than see what's actually going on.

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail. Then again, I'm just someone who lived for maybe 10 years of my life in areas with large Muslim populations, and never once came across any of the 'issues' listed above. What you do is present a grossly unbalanced picture by selecting examples, taking them out of context, exaggerating their prevalence and ignoring negative behaviour of other groups. Some childish nutters organise 'Muslim patrols' in one area and suddenly it becomes a widespread problem assocated with all Muslims. Given that attacks on Muslims by white gangs are common, we should conclude that whites are bad because they organise gangs to beat up Muslims? But that would be silly wouldn't it? Regarding honour killings and beatings, you really think non Muslims do not kill and beat relatives? My late mother was beaten by her first husband, and left him. My step mother was beaten by her first husband. My step brother used to beat his girlfriend. A friend's sister was beaten up by her fiance. My friend left a phone message threatening to beat him up if he didn't stop hitting her, and he was taken to court and given a criminal record. Physical assaults against women are a widespread issue. And do you think that murder does not occur among non Muslims? That non Muslims do not murder their wives? Do you have ANY evidence that it is significantly worse among Muslims? Or are you just showing your prejudices?

I'm not ignoring bad behaviour by Muslims as and when it occurs. Gang rapes by Pakistani heritage gangs are disgusting and should be tackled. Wife beating is disgusting. It is the way that you demonise Muslims that I object to, the exaggeration, the tarring of them all with the same stereotypical and grossly exaggerated image, the way that you select examples of disgusting behaviour by a few and generalise to them all.

You say you are not anti-Muslim. The truth is that you and a few others here loathe Muslims. That is quite clear from your post.

And it's clear from your posts that you still interpret issues as you see fit.
I've worked with and in Muslim communities as well, and I beg to differ with your stance.

And the truth is, I could not really give a toss what you think of myself or the others that dare stand up and criticize the great can do no wrong r.o.p.....

Because I do not demonise Muslims, does not mean that I think they can do no wrong. The radicalisation of a (tiny) minority is a serious issue and was ignored for years.

Then again, like the others here, you love to paint this in black and white terms (no pun intended). This is not a black and white issue. It is not them bad, us good, or us bad and them good.

Oh, and some people here need to develop a critical eye with regard to propaganda. They have no problem seeing the bias in BBC reports, which does exist. But present a video from some anti-Muslim group, and it is accepted without question.

Now you make excuses for your naivety by saying we are brainwashed by the BBC.

I have witnessed first hand two radicals preaching hate with unbelievable venom, it was disgraceful.

Can you support your claim that it's only a small number that are radicalised?

10 years ago there were over 5000 on a terror watch list, in the UK, I bet that has double or even trebled in the years since.

Please, do me a favour and stop pretending you know what I think or feel and cherry picking to suit your arguments.

You've claimed I dislike Muslims, incorrect on so many counts. Obviously you ignored my statement that I believed the Muslim community had missed an opportunity to show they're peaceful, which I believe the majority are and you can't find anything I've said that indicates I don't like them.

I hate anyone who murders another human-being without good reason(defending family, friends and innocent people under attack, for example) I hate rapists and paedophiles, burglars, muggers etc. Whether they be White, Black, Asian or Oriental, Muslim, Christian, Jewish or atheist. It matters not.

 

[Gasman28]

Sorry mate, I read that thread, and I clearly recall that he was repeatedly asked to condemn the Paris murders, despite having done so earlier in the thread, which is why I quoted his earlier condemnation. He was initially very polite. The 'fact' that he had not condemned the attacks (when he had) was used as 'proof' that he sympathised with them and it turned very nasty. He certainly did attack others, he was clearly provoked, not that I condone his insults.

As far as I can remember, I didn't see anything from Storm in his early posts condemning the attacks. If I am wrong, then I shall stand corrected. Initially polite? I care not a jot if he is a Muslim, or any other faith, but from the onset, he wanted to cause a ruck. He was out of his depth in a serious debate and his attitude turned nasty. There is no proof that anyone on here called him a terrorist, just questioning his judgement on which side of the fence he sat. His threatening behaviour towards me and my family was the last step. He knew that he was in the wrong, because just before the thread was deleted, he posted that he wanted to make peace with myself and Terrypin and offered a handshake. I didn't have time to reply before the mods decided that enough was enough.

 

[Gasman28]

You say you are not anti-Muslim. The truth is that you and a few others here loathe Muslims. That is quite clear from your post.

In your own words - tosh

 

[Gasman28]

Silence was the stern reply.

 

[Whitespirit66]

As an example, Sweden does not have record rape figures. It has record reported rape figures. Surveys suggest the number of actual rapes has been fairly constant.

So, you're saying that record numbers of women in Sweden have suddenly decided to report ficticious or unfounded rape allegations? Numbers that are unprecedented in that country - a once peaceful and law abiding Scandinavian country. Maybe the 'statistics' do really show this, but do you realise how bizarre and ridiculous that is?

If you were honest, you would realise why the 'reported' sex crimes greatly outweigh any action or prosecution by the police - but haven't we been here before? I'm sure that reports of rape and sexual assault in Rotherham (yes, your favourite religion again) went through the roof. There would have been a similar disparity between large numbers of reported crimes and near zero action taken. The authorities, who are paid to protect society, were happy to ignore serious crimes, often committed against children, just to cover up the absolute disaster that is multiculturalism.

You come across as very naïve, or dishonest. Sweden's rape epidemic has a large disparity between reporting and prosecution because, understandably the authorities and media are desperate to keep a lid on what is really happening to their 'project'.


"In 2014, according to the Gatestone Institute, a respected American think tank, the number of rapes had risen to 6,620 (from 420 p.a.), an increase of 1,472 per cent since 1975"

So, according to WWT, any connection between quotes like the one above and the massive ROP immigration to Sweden are purely coincidental.


(N.B. Sweden has second highest reported rapes, first highest is Lesoto, southern Africa.)

 

[terrypin]

Bloody Swedes, sex maniacs the lot of em, especially the blonde pretty ones with big boobs.





And that's just the blokes :0