Is Stockton on Tees a ****hole?

[denso13]

You plan for it and ramp up production accordingly, think of the jobs that could be created.

Do you think this snuck up on the Government?

 

[gant]

You've not answered the question.
Hardly surprising given the sourcing of materials would be a headache in its self, that's before you get on to labour, where's that coming from.
Your familiar with the term Jerry built, that's what you'd produce and would have to replace again in next to no time.

 

[denso13]

Hardly surprising given the sourcing of materials would be a headache in its self,

You give in too easily. We could have had a properly planned housing policy, starting many years ago, to address the shortfalls. Doing nothing is the worst option.

 

[gant]

You give in too easily. We could have had a properly planned housing policy, starting many years ago, to address the shortfalls. Doing nothing is the worst option.

I know what your saying but we're in the here an now.
Thatcher making the building industry reliant on self employment where apprenticeships fell rapidly into decline and Blairs failure to reverse that trend only to impound it with sending kids to college cos they're special are two examples. The other is relying on cheap labour from the EU.

 

[JohnD]

Where do you get the materials and labour and land to build housing stock on a scale never witnessed before to keep pace on an annual basis.

Oh gant, you are silly.

In 1948 the country was virtually broke. It had far fewer resources than we have today. The building industry was shattered. But it built the NHS. It built decent homes. It built schools. It built maternity hospitals. It treated TB.

How did it do that?

Because it saw the problems, and seriously wanted to.

 

[gant]

Oh gant, you are silly.

In 1948 the country was virtually broke. It had far fewer resources than we have today. But it built the NHS. It built decent homes. It built schools. It built maternity hospitals. It treated TB.

How did it do that?

Because it saw the problems, and seriously wanted to.

You sure it's not you being silly. The numbers were far fewer in them days to what supermarkets estimate are 80 million in the country given the food they shift. Try to keep pace with that number and a nett immigration of 750000 annually and you can see your comparing apples with oranges

 

[JohnD]

You sure it's not you being silly.

Yes, I am sure that if a country is determined to achieve something, it can.

 

[Brigadier]

I know what your saying but we're in the here an now.

And?


We either do something to address the housing shortage, or we don't.

You're in the "don't" camp then.

Which gets everyone nowhere.

 

[Brigadier]

You sure it's not you being silly. The numbers were far fewer in them days to what supermarkets estimate are 80 million in the country given the food they shift. Try to keep pace with that number and a nett immigration of 750000 annually and you can see your comparing apples with oranges

Ahhh, definitely in the "too far gone, so don't bother" camp.

 

[gant]

Yes, I am sure that if a country is determined to achieve something, it can.

That would be alright if nation states had any relevance in a globalized world big business just up sticks if they're not getting a return.

 

[denso13]

That would be alright if nation states had any relevance in a globalized world big business just up sticks if they're not getting a return.

Thankfully we haven't all given up hope.

 

[JohnD]

That would be alright if nation states had any relevance in a globalized world big business just up sticks if they're not getting a return.

Rambling fantasy.

 

[gant]

Thankfully we haven't all given up hope.

Why, what can you do to turn things round?

 

[gant]

Ahhh, definitely in the "too far gone, so don't bother" camp.

Why, what can you do to turn things round?

 

[denso13]

Why, what can you do to turn things round?

Support policies designed to improve the numbers of homes in the UK, for one.