Israel under attack

[Roy Bloom]

Hamas lie…they claimed 500 people were killed by a bomb that landed in a hospital car park

and they claimed it was an Israeli bomb.

And Israel didn't lie when they denied killing members of the international press?
The only admitted it when it was proven.
And denied the they were responsible for the hospital bomb. And you choose to believe the Israelis.
There's been no independent investigation into the hospitasl bombing, nor ir there ever likely to be, Israel do not allow independent investigations.
So assigning blame is your guess work.

 

[fillyboy]

Hamas lie…they claimed 500 people were killed by a bomb that landed in a hospital car park

and they claimed it was an Israeli bomb.

Roy supports terrorists who murder their own people.

 

[Roy Bloom]

In case you hadnt noticed Hamas recently killed over 1200 Israelis

so no it hasn’t adjusted its position

Hamas are in an armed struggle with their oppressors, who have killed about 250 civilian Palestinians up to the beginning of October, imprisoned 5000 Palestinians civilian hostages for the last 5 years., turfed loads of Palestinians out of their homes and land.

Israel has been on a slow motion terrorising of Palestinians for decades.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Roy supports terrorists who murder their own people.

Here we go, back to the lies.
It's all you've got.
And is expected from a dishonest person.
Fillyboy frequently (and repeatedly just so notch knows what I mean ) tells lies.

 

[Roy Bloom]

So you are saying the evidence you posted is out of date and irrelevant.

oops

You're not keeping up with the discussion, so no change there.
I was referring to the 1988 Hamas Charter. It's been updated.

 

[fillyboy]

There's been no independent investigation into the hospitasl bombing, nor ir there ever likely to be, Israel do not allow independent investigations.
So assigning blame is your guess work.

US intelligence suggests Israel did not bomb Gaza hospital: sources

Pentagon officials say independent US intelligence casts doubt on allegations the IDF bombed the al-Ahli hospital in northern Gaza, but cautioned that not all information is in yet.

www.al-monitor.com

 

[denso13]

Yet you don't think Hamas can adjust its position?

I don't think they can do complete u turns on everything they claimed a short while ago.

1988
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that.

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

2017

Forget all of the above, we have changed our minds, especially the bits in bold.


Oh, the "new" one also clarifies "from the river to the sea" statement. It is the whole of Israel.

The Land of Palestine:

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

The Palestinian Political System:

27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital.

 

[fillyboy]

Hamas are in an armed struggle with their oppressors, who have killed about 250 civilian Palestinians up to the beginning of October

Wow, so Hamas have killed more of their own people than the Israelis.

 

[Roy Bloom]

US intelligence suggests Israel did not bomb Gaza hospital: sources

Pentagon officials say independent US intelligence casts doubt on allegations the IDF bombed the al-Ahli hospital in northern Gaza, but cautioned that not all information is in yet.

www.al-monitor.com

And US is an independent investigator?

Today, President Biden traveled to Israel to stand in solidarity with the people of Israel

 

[Notch7]

Hamas are in an armed struggle with their oppressors, who have killed about 250 civilian Palestinians up to the beginning of October, imprisoned 5000 Palestinians civilian hostages for the last 5 years., turfed loads of Palestinians out of their homes and land.

Israel has been on a slow motion terrorising of Palestinians for decades.

Deflection Old Bean


the point is you claim Hamas are wanting to negotiate

extreme terrorist acts proves they dont

 

[Roy Bloom]

I don't think they can do complete u turns on everything they claimed a short while ago.

1988
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that.

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

2017

Forget all of the above, we have changed our minds, especially the bits in bold.


Oh, the "new" one also clarifies "from the river to the sea" statement. It is the whole of Israel.

The Land of Palestine:

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

The Palestinian Political System:

27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital.

Where is all this from?

And have you found the Hamas Media Office yet?

Hamas may not have done complete U turns, they've modified and updated their charter.

And you think that Hamas are not able to do U turns?

Rishi Sunak shrugs off concerns that U-turns might make UK a ‘laughing stock’​

Rishi Sunak shrugs off concerns that U-turns might make UK a ‘laughing stock’

Prime minister says investors are excited about Britain and that he instinctively understands what the public wants

www.theguardian.com

Government U-turns are normally a bad sign - showing they are incompetent, weak, or have not thought their policies through properly in advance .
Government U-turns are normally a good sign - showing they are willing to listen and change their minds when people complain or situations change

When the government does a "U-turn"

When governments change their policies they are often accused of conducting "U-turns". Thinking about government "U-turns" in general, which of the following statements best reflects your view?

yougov.co.uk

 

[Notch7]

There's been no independent investigation into the hospitasl bombing, nor ir there ever likely to be, Israel do not allow independent investigations.
So assigning blame is your guess work

If there has been no independent investigation then Hamas or Palestine can’t blame Israel for the bombing….and as they have, by your definition, they must be lying

Thank you for agreeing with me

 

[Roy Bloom]

Wow, so Hamas have killed more of their own people than the Israelis.

Stupid boy.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Deflection Old Bean


the point is you claim Hamas are wanting to negotiate

extreme terrorist acts proves they dont

They are only designated terrorist by US, UK and the west, due to their armed struggle against their oppressors, Israel.

So if they're not terrorists by UN definition, your comments are invalid.

And I'm not making any points on behalf of Hamas.
Stupid boy.

 

[Roy Bloom]

If there has been no independent investigation then Hamas or Palestine can’t blame Israel for the bombing….and as they have, by your definition, they must be lying

Thank you for agreeing with me

Likewise Israel can't blame Hamas, and as they have, by your definition, they must be lying.

Thank you for agreeing with me