Israel under attack

The reports of burning kids alive, beheadings etc are rapidly being verified. I appreciate that a bomb burns children and civilians alive equally, but it's not the same as slowly torturing people to death.
Maybe you could share with us that verified independent proof of all that you claim?

And the constant threat of aerial attack is in effect 'slowly torturing people to death' would you not agree?

Terror is terror however you define it...

It comes in many forms!
 
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Aye, it all depends on which side of the wall you reside.

Expressing support for Palestine isn't the same as support for Hamas.
Exactly the same as questioning the actions of the Israeli state isn't anti-semitism...

Sadly Sue-Ellen seems to think differently...

Free speech is well and truly dead!
 
DO you think this guy is fibbing?
No idea...

All I do know is that people tend to take sides depending on their belief of who is right or who is wrong...

There have been comments on here that the people killed in a convoy out of Gaza City weren't victims of an Israeli air strike but were killed by Hamas...

Do you think that was a lie?

I do not condone any killings however they come about from either side, but I fear for what is to come!
 
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It started out as noise on social media, then we had a journalist being accused of making stuff up. Here we have a report from Sky news who I think are reasonable, interviewing a guy who is telling a first hand account of what he saw / dealt with. There is a chance he is lying, but I'm not convinced.

There are other videos from those trying to identify the bodies, describing the injuries.
 
According to UN definition, Hamas are terrorists.
According to the UN Hamas are not terrorists. :rolleyes:
Probably something to do with being in an armed struggle with their oppressors.
Or it might see their actions as commititing crimes under domestic law (Israel's domestic law).
Don't forget, Israel occupies the Gaza Strip (and the West Bank) therefore, uder international rules, it is responsible for law and order, under the jurisdiction of Israel's domestic law.

That is where Israel is conflating and confusing the situation. They say they're at war, and they're going to "change the situation in the Middle East", and that Hamas are terrorists,, yet the actions of Hamas could be crimes under domestic law. That would not justify the last weeks actions, nor the proposed actions of Israel.
 
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And the constant threat of aerial attack is in effect 'slowly torturing people to death' would you not agree?
No. My Mum, Dad and grandparents never mentioned being 'slowly tortured to death' when Hitler was dropping bombs on them every night. They just got on with it.
 
As long as he limits his support to "Palestine" and "Palestinians", which I note he is now doing, he remains on the right side of that law, at least.
As i have all along.
There's no laws being broken for academic discussions about other possibilities and taking other things into account.

Yoiu really do need to go back to school.

Hamas is not Palestine.
Hamas are Palestinians. They were elected by the residents of Gaza in 2006. There have been no other elections since. (nor in the West Bank),
Therefore they are the only representatives of the Palestinians in Gaza.


Those who invaded Isreal, tortured and killed 100s of families as well as mass killing anyone they could. The reports of burning kids alive, beheadings etc are rapidly being verified.
More like being refuted. :rolleyes:

I appreciate that a bomb burns children and civilians alive equally, but it's not the same as slowly torturing people to death.
There's nothing so horriffic as being buried alive under a bombed building, with no available means of rescue.
And ambulances being bombed with patients inside.
Atrocities are atrocities, irrelevant of who commits them.
 
Need to be careful when it comes to atrocity stories involving children.

Dead baby stories are very emotive and there is always the temptation to embellish the original story for propaganda purposes.

FAO of Roy in case he worries that the original author doesn't get due credit.

I cut an pasted this from the internet.

Example from centuries ago.


In a surprising number of conflicts, propagandists have accused enemy troops of very similar (and appalling) atrocities. Among the most common allegations are claims that babies had been impaled on swords, spears, pikes, or bayonets, and that fetuses had been sliced from the bellies of pregnant women.

Some examples of groups being accused of these activities throughout history:

Irish Catholic forces in the Rebellion of 1641:​

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The Irish rebels were also accused of cutting fetuses from women's bodies, as a modern historian says here:

One of the iconic narratives that comes up in hearsay evidence is reports of atrocities against pregnant women who were said to have been ripped open, had their babies pulled out and beaten against rocks

A more up to date example would be the Nayirah testimony.

Everything she said turned out to be completely false.
 
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The mad mullers have issued a warning in the last hour (?)!

Ref that a full scale invasion into Gaza will mean all
Out war with there Hezbollah mob ???

Let’s hope Biden has his lap top with him with the correct launch codes ;) locked in for Tehran ??
 
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