It must be pure hell for them….

[Roy Bloom]

remind us where they start their journey from again?

Their country of origin, from where they escaped to save their own lives, from torture, persecution, unfair imprisonment etc.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Unless there is a 100%, guaranteed acceptance policy that is loudly and clearly publicised, the boats won't stop; anyone who has the slightest doubt that they'll get accepted will avoid any legal routes, and chance the traffickers instead.

An "open door" policy would be electoral suicide, so the trafficker boats - for those who would otherwise be rejected; crims, for instance - will remain.


Reduce the boats; that's possible.
Stop the boats; couldn't be done, even if there was a will to do so.

The current government have villanised, villified and criminalised the asylum seekers. That's going to take some concerted effort to combat.

But an open door policy is not needed, nor required. A safe and legal option is all that is required.
Blaming other western countries, ignoring and defying the UN Charter and ECHR, is never going to encourage cooperation and goodwill.

Is there a concept for a country digging itself into a deeper hole?

 

[Roy Bloom]

I honestly don't recognise your description of the place.

I'd happily live in the area.

Being confined to a small cabin, I suspect you'd want to go out every day and explore the area. There's only so much excercise you can do in the gym.
You'd probably be joined by your 500 'shipmates'.
That won't encourage integration. What's the opposite for integration?
Alienation, segregation, detatchment, division, disagreement?

 

[Brigadier]

But an open door policy is not needed, nor required. A safe and legal option is all that is required

My point was countering Denso's (that you could "stop the boats".

Regardless of a safe and legal route, if you know you will be rejected "at the desk" (criminal record, not under threat at home, etc), you won't take that safe and legal route, will you?

Genuine applicants will.

The disingenuous will take the "unofficial" and clandestine option.


Which is why, unless you have an open door policy, you'll never "stop the boats".


(No moral judgement on my part here, just pragmatism).

 

[Roy Bloom]

There seem to be two tested approaches: welcome everyone vs push back everyone.

Dealing with drugs does not mean only two untested (not tested) approaches.
There's rehabiltation, legalise some drugs, alternative options, education, support, etc. You do not and cannot rely on your only other imaginable option: criminalise everything and imprison everyone.

Your option have only imagined the two extreme options. you've intentionally ignored other softer options.

 

[denso13]

Regardless of a safe and legal route, if you know you will be rejected "at the desk" (criminal record, not under threat at home, etc), you won't take that safe and legal route, will you?

The vast majority who are processed get accepted though. If you are then left with a small number the boat trade with hopefully wither and die.

Why make people take such a dangerous trip if, at the end of the day, you welcome them in anyway?

 

[Roy Bloom]

My point was countering Denso's (that you could "stop the boats".

Regardless of a safe and legal route, if you know you will be rejected "at the desk" (criminal record, not under threat at home, etc), you won't take that safe and legal route, will you?

Genuine applicants will.

The disingenuous will take the "unofficial" and clandestine option.


Which is why, unless you have an open door policy, you'll never "stop the boats".


(No moral judgement on my part here, just pragmatism).

But you will reduce the number of boats to a very high degree. The number of successful applications is about 80% (following appeals). Therefore it's reasonable to assume that the number of people would be reduced to about 20% of the current number of people (not boats). The market will have been destroyed, the criminals resource will have been decimated. It would allow existing resources to go after the vastly reduced number of criminals.

Moreover, the 'refused' applicants will have been identified at the beginning of the safe and legal route. If that was 'off-shore', their appeal would be off-shore. Any subsequent attempt at entry into UK would be instantly and easily recognised.

 

[Munroast]

With the conditions being so bad, has any of them made their way back to France ? clearly they are very apt at fleeing unsafe countries, so how many have fled our shores ?

 

[Odds]

The vast majority who are processed get accepted though. If you are then left with a small number the boat trade with hopefully wither and die.

Why make people take such a dangerous trip if, at the end of the day, you welcome them in anyway?

I think they have a 20:1 shot at getting accepted according to last years figures.

 

[Roy Bloom]

And once they've got their breath back. contact the authorities in the safe country they found themselves in and ask to be recognised as a refugee.

Simple.

Aah, the old usual urban myth. or is it a refusal to acknowledge that question has been answered multiple times before?
Many of them speak English and have relatives and friends in UK.

And why should the neighbouring country support and integrate all the refugees?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Any one in there right mind would want to leave dire ear a Stan in particular ladies ???

The majority of women rescued from modern salvery in UK are women employed as domestics, initially, then trapped into slavery.

The new immigration restrictions leave any rescued women vulnerable to deportation and/ or imprisonment.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I think they have a 20:1 shot at getting accepted according to last years figures.

Because of the waiting list caused by the inefficiency and ineffectiveness of the process.
The UK would prefer to accomodate them than to process them.

 

[denso13]

I think they have a 20:1 shot at getting accepted according to last years figures.

Top facts from the latest statistics on refugees and people seeking asylum

Here are our top facts based on the UK Government's latest immigration statistics for the year ending September 2023.

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk

 

[Roy Bloom]

With the conditions being so bad, has any of them made their way back to France ? clearly they are very apt at fleeing unsafe countries, so how many have fled our shores ?

Why don't you set up the business of transporting asylum seekers to France?



Then maybe the French can pay UK to police the beaches. Or they might offer to send some police over to UK to help out.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Why don't you set up the business of transporting asylum seekers to France?

P& O ferry's have a monopoly on thst passage