I dunno - the Attlee government was as close as it gets to Socialism.
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Abolish capital gains and tax at the all gains when taken as income tax.
Sort out tax rates, a person earning 100k pays more proportionally in tax than a person earning 900k , 100k pays 60% and 200k plus pays 48%... get rid of the that for a starter.
Our entire tax system is currently skewed to supporting those with income over 200k... for example did you know that if you take out a joint pension you can contribute 60k a year tax free to your partners pension on top of the 60k you pay in, did you know that each individual can leave 1 million tax free to a beneficiary from a pension in addition to inheritance tax relife. Lump sums( in excess of 278K) are are only taxed above the threshold at your marginal rate eg end work in march, take no income in April apply for a new tax code then you can take the rest of your lump sum up to 50% of the pension pot at 20%...
If you have a look at tax web, then the top 1% pay 5% of the national tax burden...despite having 30% of the national income.
We have been taken for mugs.
Sort out tax rates, a person earning 100k pays more proportionally in tax than a person earning 900k , 100k pays 60% and 200k plus pays 48%... get rid of the that for a starter.
Our entire tax system is currently skewed to supporting those with income over 200k... for example did you know that if you take out a joint pension you can contribute 60k a year tax free to your partners pension on top of the 60k you pay in, did you know that each individual can leave 1 million tax free to a beneficiary from a pension in addition to inheritance tax relife. Lump sums( in excess of 278K) are are only taxed above the threshold at your marginal rate eg end work in march, take no income in April apply for a new tax code then you can take the rest of your lump sum up to 50% of the pension pot at 20%...
If you have a look at tax web, then the top 1% pay 5% of the national tax burden...despite having 30% of the national income.
We have been taken for mugs.
So in your imagination, what do you think "socialism" means?
Not the NHS, you claim? Not support for the old, the disabled, the needy? Not public services fir the benefit of all?
You are inventing a meaning of your own.
You make no sense.
Nice summary
Major acts
National Health Service Act 1946: made healthcare free on the basis of citizenship and need rather than the payment of fees or insurance premiums.National Insurance Act 1946: introduced social security, in which persons of working age had to pay a weekly contribution and in return were entitled to a wide range of benefits when they could no longer work.Coal Industry Nationalisation Act 1946, Electricity Act 1947, Transport Act 1947: nationalised the coal industry, electricity utilities, railways and long-distance haulage.Town and Country Planning Act 1947: planning permission now required for land development; ownership alone no longer sufficient.Children Act 1948: established a comprehensive childcare service, reforming services providing care to deprived and orphaned children.Nurseries and Child-Minders Regulation Act 1948: paid child-minders now registered and regulated; inspection regime in place to check their methods and facilities meet basic minimum standards.National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act 1949: allowed the creation of National Parks and Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty in England and Wales, gave the public rights of way and access to open land.Interesting facts
Nationalised one fifth of the British economy.
History of Clement Attlee - GOV.UK
Which bits are socialist? The same style of some of them still exist. My father visited various places in europe and noted that some country had national control of haulage. It allowed them to dictate what services were used and not just based on what a company might like to do more what was best. Some aspects are down to the size of the UK. Loads of different companies do not make much sense. The grid for instance is still a singular item.
The biggest problem is seen as what nationalised companies were told to do and also political interference relating in part to avodiing price increases. However these areas are run they need to be efficient which can mean job losses and they also need to borrow / make a profit. The borrow aspect now resides in the companies that run them - not the gov.
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Nice summary
Major acts
National Health Service Act 1946: made healthcare free on the basis of citizenship and need rather than the payment of fees or insurance premiums.National Insurance Act 1946: introduced social security, in which persons of working age had to pay a weekly contribution and in return were entitled to a wide range of benefits when they could no longer work.Coal Industry Nationalisation Act 1946, Electricity Act 1947, Transport Act 1947: nationalised the coal industry, electricity utilities, railways and long-distance haulage.Town and Country Planning Act 1947: planning permission now required for land development; ownership alone no longer sufficient.Children Act 1948: established a comprehensive childcare service, reforming services providing care to deprived and orphaned children.Nurseries and Child-Minders Regulation Act 1948: paid child-minders now registered and regulated; inspection regime in place to check their methods and facilities meet basic minimum standards.National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act 1949: allowed the creation of National Parks and Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty in England and Wales, gave the public rights of way and access to open land.
Interesting facts
Nationalised one fifth of the British economy.
History of Clement Attlee - GOV.UK
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Which bits are socialist? The same style of some of them still exist. My father visited various places in europe and noted that some country had national control of haulage. It allowed them to dictate what services were used and not just based on what a company might like to do more what was best. Some aspects are down to the size of the UK. Loads of different companies do not make much sense. The grid for instance is still a singular item.
The biggest problem is seen as what nationalised companies were told to do and also political interference relating in part to avodiing price increases. However these areas are run they need to be efficient which can mean job losses and they also need to borrow / make a profit. The borrow aspect now resides in the companies that run them - not the gov.
I'd argue their policies brought wide ranging benefits for the majority of society, rather than lining the pockets of donors and shareholders. They're certainly more attuned to the morals of Jeremy Bentham than Ayn Rand.
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There's a lot of rubbish in there.We can have all them with out having 'sociaism'
out of all the states recognised as being socialist - which one do you want the UK to emulate
appart from cChina (where I would not wish to live) all the others seem to have been disaster zones that mainly collapse into chaosList of socialist states - Wikipedia
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We can have a caring democracy without going "full socialist ".
Labour isn't as far left as you think. I wish you'd stop spreading rubbish.
appart from cChina (where I would not wish to live) all the others seem to have been disaster zones that mainly collapse into chaosList of socialist states - Wikipedia
Your Wikipedia article looks like if was composed by an American source. Americans attribute a strange meaning to the word. Rather like you do.
You'll notice it does not include Sweden in the list.
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have you not read Heart of Midlothian ???
Labour is not a socialist party and none of its policies are socialism.
You need to get yer head out of the Telegraph
None of those listed are socialist countries
This is a definition of socialism: “Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production”
None of the countries listed in wikepedia has “social ownership of the means of production”, so they aren’t socialist
By the way Labour are not a socialist party, even under Corbyn Labour we’re only similar to the social democracies of Sweden, Denmark or even France.
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telegraph is behind a paywall so will never know what they spout
Corbyn self identifies as a socialist, and he is far from out of the game, Starmer is going to run into big trouble trying to get the economy going, (it is unfixable considering our far lazy benefit obsessed culture) and the far left which lurks deep within Labour will have their king.
And even if Starmer is not ousted, he will be dragged to the left just as Rishi was dragged to the right.
If it is unfixable, it is more because of the prehistoric attitude of the management: "Why invest for long-term efficiency, when you can just claw some more hours out of the plebs?"-mentality.
More concerned with presenteeism and getting their pound of flesh, than with results.
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Problem is nearly unfixable as we have been resting on our laurels for too long, not just the workforce but as you say the management. , we have lost our way and I don't know how we get back on track, lets hope Starmer does (but I doubt it)
We were once an amazing nation, the powerhouse of the world, but then we got lazy in our soft beds and the rot set in, then we took our manufacturing to near 3rd world countries, Japan, Taiwan, China - they worked hard (like we once did) and we had an easy life and cheap goods - now we have lost our skills and know how. We have lost the work ethic, over rely on benefits (i have mental health (or is it I can't be bothered today))
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We don't have socialism. The Socialist Party of Great Britain didn't win the election.
I think he's closer to Robert Owen and the ideas of Utopian Socialism. No chance of resurrecting them on a large scale, but his heart's in the right place.
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