Jean Charles de Menezes

[Zampa]

the police man that shot him seven times in the head must have been scared to have reacted in that way

Perhaps he just intended to wound him?

or see what he was thinking !!

I,m all in favour of a strong Police force, and immediate action to prevent
a tragedy.
But this man was pinned down and then executed, surely some one should be held accountable for this, but i will not hold my breath.

I agree..the guy was slain, whether the cozzers was right for the job who knows.

The fact those at the top tried their hardest to cover things up leaves a bad taste in my mouth though.

 

[Trazor]

His use of drugs is an irrelevance, wonder how much other dirt will be dug up to besmirch his character.....Shameful.

 

[Rob]

What i dont understand is why, if he didnt try and run, wait till he got on a tarin to shoot him. They followed him all the way from his home. At what point did they decide they were going to kill him?

 

[libby lou lou]

and you will all carry on with your life not doing a **** about this.

that's why it happens.

 

[oilman]

Ask yourselves this - would you like to be the one to make the decision?

Then ask yourself would you accept it was ok if one of your family was shot.

I remember well this story at the time, and there were many on this forum saying he got what he deserved as he was a terrorist, then well maybe he wasn't but he was here illegally, well maybe he wasn't but etc etc. (Freddie and Slogger come to mind for starters)

I don't think the police have ANY excuse for shooting him, and I DO NOT feel safe in the presence of armed police who are "protecting my freedom" etc. This continual arms escalation has resulted in only one thing, MORE DEATHS. On a global scale that doesn't matter as there are several thousand million too many people on the planet, but that is not the issue here. This country is becoming more like the US with police shooting first and making excuses after. They have shot quite a few innocent people. JCM is just another failure.

 

[Shutpa]

If that guy died as a result of the police thinking that his death may, or would, save lives, then I for one have no problem with that. OK, on this occassion they got it wrong, an innocent man has been killed, and some of you guys want to put the boot in. But what if the police had been right, didn't shoot him, and he goes on a suicide murder mission and in the process kills one or more of your loved ones.? What then? Do you then put the boot in and say that they should have shot him on the train when they had the chance?

 

[mehran]

i hope everyone understands that is was in no way shape or form Jean Charles de Menezes fault. he was a normal bloke going about his every day business.

this is 100% the polices fault. they knew this, so tried to put out FUD that he ran.

there is no excuses...simple.

 

[Deluks]

Agreed, he was killed as being a suspected suicide bomber, the intelligence used to back that up was extremely flakey. They should not have fired, it seems like Mr Menezes wasn't the only one to lose his head that day.

 

[oilman]

If that guy died as a result of the police thinking that his death may, or would, save lives, then I for one have no problem with that.

You WOULD have a problem with it if it was someone you knew.

OK on this occassion they got it wrong, an innocent man has been killed, and some of you guys want to put the boot in.

I suspect it might just be not meekly accepting that the police are ok shooting suspects.

But what if the police had been right, didn't shoot him, and he goes on a suicide murder mission and in the process kills one or more of your loved ones.? What then? Do you then put the boot in and say that they should have shot him on the train when they had the chance?

The only way you can be sure no one is going to do this is to shoot every one. How about you go first?

 

[joe-90]

This happened just after the 7/7 bombings when the city was jumpy as hell. Someone made a mistake - but what if he HAD been a bomber and 20 innocent people had been blown to bits. Would you be asking why the police followed him and never acted? It was human error unlike the Brazilian police who operate as paid assassins.
And also bear in mind that the officers that actually caught him and killed him believed he WAS a bomber and these brave men probably thought they were about to die. Stuff like this happens, that's life in the 21st century.

 

[Shutpa]

You WOULD have a problem with it if it was someone you knew.

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Wrong, oilman, I've been there!

A relative was shot and killed abroad because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even his parents finally agreed that given the circumstances, the police were probably right.

 

[Nige F]

Well, I'm not knocking the police here and the video's have been shown on the news tonight. the police man that shot him seven times in the head must have been scared to have reacted in that way as any of us would have been but he was wrong and just not the right man for the job.

no he was excatly the right man for the job. He acted on the information he had been given believing it to be accurate and true. His actions were and are accepted by security forces world wide as the only way to stop a suicide bomber.

Its the guy runining the show that needs his judgement questioned.

Rest assured it will be questioned, with the full might of the establishment behind it ........and he`ll retire with a full pension and a friggin medal

 

[ellal]

All along every attempt has been made to either smear the guy, or lie about the events...

But even after that, there are many who say, 'well he was here illegally....'

Not so it appears... Link

[code:1]The next record was of him arriving in Ireland from France on 23 April 2005 but there was no notification of when he returned to the UK.

The court heard how as a person entering Britain from Ireland, he would have had an automatic three-month leave to remain which at the earliest would have run out on 23 July, the day after he was killed.

[/code:1]

Along with another 'manipulation' - the photo

How many lies does it take to get a prosecution, instead of this farcical H&E case??..

 

[megawatt]

Whilst I'm not generally one to sit on the fence I can genuinely see both sides of the story here ...

On one hand:
The police officers on the ground were acting on information received which, I'm sure, they believed to be genuine and which told them JCM was a terrorist about to commit some suicide bombing pact. From their perspective they acted in the only way they could ... Eliminate the threat and protect their own lives and those whom they are paid to protect.

On the other hand
The information was totally inaccurate and an innocent member of the public, whilst going about his lawful business, was stalked by the police and summarily executed.

My take on this for what its worth is that the ends never justify the means and that the police and security services MUST be accountable for their actions (and mistakes) if the public is to have any faith in their role in society.

The Government must also be accountable for their role in events since 9/11 & 7/7 where all manner of "exceptional powers" have been granted in the "interests of public security" (generally accepted as the defence of the oppressor) ... The threat of terrorism is a great way to push forward all manner of initiatives which would be totally unpalatable to our society at a time of calm.

Those of us who are old enough to remember will know that our country is far less at risk from terrorism today than we were at the height of PIRA activity and yet it was contained without innocent members of the public being assassinated by the police.

MW

 

[bernardgreen]

There is difference between IRA attacks and the present terror threats.

The IRA almost always gave warnings and timely evacuation of people and many times the defusing of the bomb protected life and property. Massive disruption was caused but without a great deal of death or injury.

Today it is a different aim. It is suicide bombers who will cause as much death and injury as possible among members of the public.

The means of combatting this type of terror has to be very different from that used to combat the IRA.