Jimmy Saville

[sooey]

Just to add.
It matters not a jot now.
No one would will be brought to trial .
Due in large to the very programme some have put so much faith in.

Some expert the ex copper turned out to be.

I said I wouldn't respond to you anymore but I can't resist this.
It matters a LOT you insensitive moron. It matters to the victims who have finally come forward that they are believed. The single biggest thing that prevents people speaking out in these types of cases is the fear that no one will believe them. It matters to his family and his fans as to whether he was innocent or guilty for obvious reasons. Of course it matters.

 

[peterperfection]

Just to add.
It matters not a jot now.
No one would will be brought to trial .
Due in large to the very programme some have put so much faith in.

Some expert the ex copper turned out to be.

I said I wouldn't respond to you anymore but I can't resist this.
It matters a LOT you insensitive moron. It matters to the victims who have finally come forward that they are believed. The single biggest thing that prevents people speaking out in these types of cases is the fear that no one will believe them. It matters to his family and his fans as to whether he was innocent or guilty for obvious reasons. Of course it matters.

I just had a feeling the sooey insults would start flying again.
Why dont you just listen to what others have to say ??.

 

[ajstoneservices]

I think you'll find that when you have a number of people making the same allegations without physical proof, the police first of all will take seperate statements to see if they can see patterns of behaviour. Which in themselves will give more wieght to the statements.
It's that type of thing that the cps will look for when deciding whether to prosecute.
There is no doubt that the stories that have come out so far are very similar and to that extent corroborate each other.
There will be many more people coming forward now that that programme has been aired, and I suppose the sceptics will be able to say about those, that they are simply repeating what they saw and heard on the tv.

Sooey I think you have pretty answered your own questions in this post.

If the evidence is there we will see the person charged and brought before the courts.

 

[AronSearle]

I just had a feeling the sooey insults would start flying again.

 

[peterperfection]

I just had a feeling the sooey insults would start flying again.

Is that a pic of sooey ? awww bless.
Didn't know he was a GGGGINGGGER.

 

[alumni]

Just to add.
It matters not a jot now.
No one would will be brought to trial .
Due in large to the very programme some have put so much faith in.

Some expert the ex copper turned out to be.

I said I wouldn't respond to you anymore but I can't resist this.
It matters a LOT you insensitive moron. It matters to the victims who have finally come forward that they are believed. The single biggest thing that prevents people speaking out in these types of cases is the fear that no one will believe them. It matters to his family and his fans as to whether he was innocent or guilty for obvious reasons. Of course it matters.

If you'd care to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture rather than the individuals, then no, it doesn't matter now. Due to the publicity seeking journo's and the prat of an ex copper, no one can be safely convicted now.

As for fear of being believed, happy to tell the world but not the authorities in private.
You'll also have noticed, if you care to actually read, I have first hand experience of this sort of situation.

Remember yesterday when I mentioned generalising scousers?
Seems your the example I was referring to.

 

[Big Tone]

As a novice of the personalities on this board, it pains me to disagree with you Alumni because I’ve followed and agreed with your stance so far and thought sooey is deliberately being obtuse. But how he, Saville, is seen historically and other things I’ve said are important...

It matters to the victims who have finally come forward that they are believed. The single biggest thing that prevents people speaking out in these types of cases is the fear that no one will believe them. It matters to his family and his fans as to whether he was innocent or guilty for obvious reasons. Of course it matters.

I don’t see the objection to that statement guys.

If I was a victim, or if it was a loved one, (or any innocent for that matter), of course it would matter that he is shown for who is really is/was! I am old enough to remember TOTP original and Saville played a big part in my lovely memories from those days; along with Tony Blackburn, Alan Freeman, Kenny Everett...

I used to tune into pirate radio on my “Transistor Five” radio in circa 73 and heard ‘This Town ain’t big enough for the two of us’ by Sparks because it wasn’t played anywhere else. (I’m 54 btw). I don’t want to think of him like this, it’s messing with my lovely memories, but if the cap fits...

Can the mods pause this thread until he’s vindicated or not please because all of this is just speculation, rhetoric and, (in usual DIYnot style), personal insults. Where’s the substance ffs?

 

[peterperfection]

Well. What will be- will be.
Sorry for editing it.
Felt it best before a certain Vulture sniffed blood.

 

[alumni]

When I say it doesn't matter, I mean with regard to relevant individuals actually being brought to justice - no chance of a fair hearing or safe conviction now.

Individuals will see things differently and for those who may have been victims of a possible assault more so.

What I won't do is say they did the right thing by going to the TV people.
Far from helping, they may well find it actually did the opposite.

I've said from the beginning, my issue is with those who covered up for any behaviour that may have gone on.

 

[sooey]

I think you'll find that when you have a number of people making the same allegations without physical proof, the police first of all will take seperate statements to see if they can see patterns of behaviour. Which in themselves will give more wieght to the statements.
It's that type of thing that the cps will look for when deciding whether to prosecute.
There is no doubt that the stories that have come out so far are very similar and to that extent corroborate each other.
There will be many more people coming forward now that that programme has been aired, and I suppose the sceptics will be able to say about those, that they are simply repeating what they saw and heard on the tv.

Sooey I think you have pretty answered your own questions in this post.

If the evidence is there we will see the person charged and brought before the courts.

What person AJ? I'm sure there must be plenty of people who knew of this pervs behaviour and didn't say or do anything. I'm not that interested in them now personally, they may or may not be found out and embarrassed or worse.
Personally I'm more interested in seeing the dead pervert disgraced and known for what he was, it's not the best outcome for the crimes he committed but it's the best that can happen now.
I believe there was a poll on ITVs this morning show yesterday where there was a 4 to 1 majority in favour of stripping him of his knighthood posthumously. That's the least that should happen in my opinion.

 

[sooey]

According to this item in the mirror the number of women coming forward is now over 40 plus a "respected school tutor" who claims he was molested by him as a boy. chapeau did say...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-jimmy-savile-child-sex-1361230
Still....there's no hard proof after all this time and he's not here to say "I didn't do it guv" so they must all be lying.

 

[Big Tone]

According to this item in the mirror the number of women coming forward is now over 40 plus a "respected school tutor" who claims he was molested by him as a boy. chapeau did say...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-jimmy-savile-child-sex-1361230
Still....there's no hard proof after all this time and he's not here to say "I didn't do it guv" so they must all be lying.

My bold, if anything it just adds weight to what I’ve been saying. The more people who start coming out against him the more absurd it is that these victims and their associates didn’t do anything. Surely you understand that simple piece of logic?

So if we end up with, let’s say, 40 accounts plus the friends family etc. shall we round it up to 100 ‘in the know’ of whom not one of them, not one, could find it within themselves to do something. It’s not helping your argument that ever more people are increasingly coming out. If anything it shows a very different and perhaps less sordid picture of him that nothing ever stuck.

Ask yourself a different question. If it gets up to 1000 victims would you believe all 1000? Not a single one jumping on the bandwagon for nefarious or other reasons? I don’t like saying this but humans are complex things. It’s laudable that you have such complete faith and trust in all people - I don’t! (And yes, that includes J. S.)

Add: I honestly can’t imagine a situation where not at least one of them wouldn’t be like me. i.e. Rather than just resign to these acts going on, one of them would actually try to tenaciously nail the bastard. Not one single person??? I don't get it

 

[alumni]

Personally I'm more interested in seeing the dead pervert disgraced and known for what he was, it's not the best outcome for the crimes he committed but it's the best that can happen now.
I believe there was a poll on ITVs this morning show yesterday where there was a 4 to 1 majority in favour of stripping him of his knighthood posthumously. That's the least that should happen in my opinion.

And an ITV morning show poll adds validity to the uncorroborated statements does it?
You've made your mind up without wanting to look at the motives behind ALL those involved in this allegation. Those saddo's who voted have probably done the same. then sat down to watch Jeremy Kyle.

This issue needed serious investigation from the start. Not some shock jock TV programme trying to promote some possible scandal for their own ends.

On this thread alone enough of us have stated experiences from our historic/recent past to show how serious the implications of these sort of allegations can be AND the effects they can have.

If this ex copper, MWT, cared, he'd have handed over the file to the correct authorities the moment he thought the 'allegations' were serious. Sod all they can do to Savile now, he ain't here. Many of those who may have colluded in any possible unlawful behaviour are. Along with any possible institutional cover ups, these are the one's who should have been investigated but weren't. Why is that?

 

[Big Tone]

Yes Alumni, I am inclined to think the police may have ‘cocked a deaf one’ in which case they, and many others from the sounds of it, should be held to account. As I said with my experience in both the workplace and personal life, for some reason authorities seem reluctant to get involved or pursue matters properly unless you have a smoking gun scenario, and even then it’s like puling teeth. (Always happy to prosecute you for doing a few mph over a dumb f ucki n’ limit where safe to do so mind).

We hear these things all the time; where Social Services screwed up etc. I have some considerable experience of this myself, working in the NHS. Nuff said

But, that aside, it’s not like Saville would or could have intimidated everyone into silence; he wasn’t a powerful billionaire Russian mafia boss with hit-men everywhere for goodness sake! What repercussions or revenge could he have exacted towards any whistle blower, other than withdrawing his financial support for certain institutions? He wouldn’t have intimidated me and I’m damn sure if it was my daughter I’d have hounded him to death rather than let it go! If he is alleged to have been doing this since when... the 60’s or early 70’s?, that’s one hec of a long time for at least some of the people in the know to have come forward and stuck with it like a starving pit bull on a postman’s arse.

Again, I’m not saying he did nothing wrong because none of us here knows - yet. But you have to wonder why this posthumous attempt to assassinate his character now and question the motives. I mean talk about shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. I think where we can all agree that whatever the eventual outcome - it stinks!

 

[sooey]

According to this item in the mirror the number of women coming forward is now over 40 plus a "respected school tutor" who claims he was molested by him as a boy. chapeau did say...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-jimmy-savile-child-sex-1361230
Still....there's no hard proof after all this time and he's not here to say "I didn't do it guv" so they must all be lying.

My bold, if anything it just adds weight to what I’ve been saying. The more people who start coming out against him the more absurd it is that these victims and their associates didn’t do anything. Surely you understand that simple piece of logic?
So if we end up with, let’s say, 40 accounts plus the friends family etc. shall we round it up to 100 ‘in the know’ of whom not one of them, not one, could find it within themselves to do something. It’s not helping your argument that ever more people are increasingly coming out. If anything it shows a very different and perhaps less sordid picture of him that nothing ever stuck.
Ask yourself a different question. If it gets up to 1000 victims would you believe all 1000? Not a single one jumping on the bandwagon for nefarious or other reasons? I don’t like saying this but humans are complex things. It’s laudable that you have such complete faith and trust in all people - I don’t! (And yes, that includes J. S.)

Add: I honestly can’t imagine a situation where not at least one of them wouldn’t be like me. i.e. Rather than just resign to these acts going on, one of them would actually try to tenaciously nail the b*****d. Not one single person??? I don't get it

The whole gist of what you have said above seems to be driving towards saying that the more victims come forward the more it proves his innocence. That would be ridiculous.
The fact that some people out of, say a thousand may be lying is neither here nor there, if 950 of them were liars that still means he was a beast.
And a beast he was, a dirty, predatory, monster who should have spent his life locked away from young, impressionable girls.
Another logical conclusion of your and that idiot alumnis arguments is...if a monster can get away with his deeds for his whole life then his reputation can't be tarred after death, no matter what comes out. I don't think so.