Jimmy Saville

[Big Tone]

Firstly, in case you think otherwise, I am neither defending him nor supporting him. I am just questioning the media feeding frenzy, bad timing and why not one person who knew about the alleged rapes or molestation had the temerity and/or integrity to do something while he was alive?

The fact that some people out of, say a thousand may be lying is neither here nor there, if 950 of them were liars that still means he was a beast.

Fair enough, credit where credit is due. So, as I keep saying and you seem to keep ignoring, of those 50 children out of 950 which let’s say had two parents that’s 50 + (50x2) = 150 people. Add to that the witnesses, however many that is, we’re up to let’s say 200? These are conservative figures based on what the media is pushing out.

So then, each and every single one of these 150 honest children, parents and witnesses either stuck their collective heads in the sand or acquiesced to the might of Mr Saville for over 40 years or more? I’m not saying that couldn’t happen but, as I keep saying, something doesn’t fit right. Either the system is a complete and utter failure, quite possible, or there’s more to it than meets the eye.

Another logical conclusion of the your and that idiot alumnis arguments is...if a monster can get away with his deeds for his whole life then his reputation can't be tarred after death, no matter what comes out. I don't think so.

That is the exact opposite of what I have said. Do I need to quote myself? If it’s proven true and beyond all doubt then I hope he is stripped of his knighthood and all others titles and then shove is coffin off a cliff into a sewer where it belongs!

I’m not trying to defend him or his reputation; I am simply saying everyone deserves to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. You may one day say here “I told you so” but that’s missing the point! I am not saying you’re wrong or right, I am simply questioning the way you reach a conclusion.

I’ll tell you something I’ve noticed something about allegations of child abuse and rape sooey. The second it’s levelled at a man everyone immediately thinks they’re guilty until proven innocent. What’s worse, to add insult to injury, if they are vindicated it’s still a life sentence for him. For the accused life is never the same again! That’s the kind of hysteria these cases engender and exactly what you are doing; what you have been sucked into.

Thankfully, the law sees it differently. I’m prepared to see what the outcome is and not rise to the sharks who have a vested interest in selling papers. Propaganda wasn’t just something used during wartime you know; it is still as rife today as it ever was...

 

[Nige F]

. Propaganda wasn’t just something used during wartime you know; it is still as rife today as it ever was...

Where did you read that

 

[alumni]

Another logical conclusion of your and that idiot alumnis arguments is...if a monster can get away with his deeds for his whole life then his reputation can't be tarred after death, no matter what comes out. I don't think so.

Logic is not something you seem to be familiar with.

Based on your logic, we'll start saying you too are a sexual predator shall we?
According to you, we must be right simply because someone says it.

 

[sooey]

Your whole argument is based on your incredulity that it hasn't come out before now. It may be incredible to you but that's what has happened.
Take the woman who has accused Savile and Glitter and AN other (from my neck of the woods) of abusing her and others in Saviles dressing room at the BBC.
She named this rich and well known character in her interview which the broadcasters pulled. The name was then leaked out, and the rich character has said he will sue for libel. If no other witnesses come forward against him it will just be his word against hers and she will lose.
So she is now in a sh*t position, whether you choose to believe her or not.
That is one perfect example of how difficult it is for these people to come forward and is why, once the floodgates open more and more will come out. In Saviles case the floodgates are well and truly open, but in her casse she is standing alone so far. I happen to believe her and I hope that if there are more victims of the said character that they will find the strength to come forward.

And you and that other character keep trying to tell me how damaging false accusations of this sort are. Do you think I don't know that? Do you think I'm a moron?

 

[sooey]

Another logical conclusion of your and that idiot alumnis arguments is...if a monster can get away with his deeds for his whole life then his reputation can't be tarred after death, no matter what comes out. I don't think so.

Logic is not something you seem to be familiar with.

Based on your logic, we'll start saying you too are a sexual predator shall we?
According to you, we must be right simply because someone says it.

You obviously haven't been following the argument about corroborative statements from INDEPENDENT witnesses establishing a pattern of behaviour by the alleged abuser.
Your not too bright are you?

 

[LastMagicBean]

I’ll tell you something I’ve noticed something about allegations of child abuse and rape sooey. The second it’s levelled at a man everyone immediately thinks they’re guilty until proven innocent. What’s worse, to add insult to injury, if they are vindicated it’s still a life sentence for him.

Yes, But the massive difference you are missing is, This wasn't a man accused of molestation or rape, in terms of the say so of ONE individual, on one or two occasions.

He was a monster who systematically carried out abuse over many,many,many years.

Celebrities and production staff at the time, knew exactly what he was like.

Even I heard stories of what he was like 30 odd years ago.

Everybody knew.

 

[alumni]

Dear me.

Tell the world and yes, you are very likely to meet with open hostility.
Had she gone through the formal channels she would be protected.

It has nothing to do with whether i, or anyone else, believes the programme. It is the process and how they have gone about it that is suspect.

Tell us, how can a fair trial be given to any possible suspects now?

 

[alumni]

You obviously haven't been following the argument about corroborative statements from INDEPENDENT witnesses establishing a pattern of behaviour by the alleged abuser.
Your not too bright are you?

You really are the sterotypical scouser i referred to previously.

Look at the bigger picture, not just the box in the corner of your room.

 

[alumni]

Even I heard stories of what he was like 30 odd years ago.

Everybody knew.

And you did what about it?

 

[sooey]

You really are the sterotypical scouser i referred to previously.

Yes you keep saying that....You're not too bright are you?

 

[sooey]

Even I heard stories of what he was like 30 odd years ago.

Everybody knew.

And you did what about it?

You're not too bright are you?

 

[Big Tone]

You obviously haven't been following the argument about corroborative statements from INDEPENDENT witnesses establishing a pattern of behaviour by the alleged abuser.

I’m happy to say I have absolutely no knowledge or experience of how they do what they do. But how many different ways or patterns are there of ‘getting off’ over a child? Actually, don’t answer that if it’s too vulgar. I’d rather not know.

And you and that other character keep trying to tell me how damaging false accusations of this sort are. Do you think I don't know that? Do you think I'm a moron?

Of course not! I think you’re articulate, which is all the more confusing that you are so ready, willing and eager to completely bypass a full investigation. I guess it’s just me an’ Alumin who admit to having misjudged a person then.

I know how a good defence of a bad guy is annoying and how real crims literally almost get off with murder. But, repeating myself again, it’s the law and it’s the best we’ve got. That’s how it works in this country. If you want a society where beheading is the norm or your hand is cut off for theft without a full investigation or trial I can recommend a country in the Far East you may prefer to live.

Propaganda wasn’t just something used during wartime you know; it is still as rife today as it ever was...

Where did you read that

It fell from an aeroplane over my way on thousands of papers, along with "Saville is guilty!". I think the pilot was sooey

 

[sooey]

In terms of whether Savile was guilty or not, it doesn't matter how incredible it is that it's only really came out now. It doesn't matter what channels it came out through.
All that matters is the amount of victims coming forward with the same allegations and as LMB said the amount of witnesses now coming forward with corroborative stories of how well known his behaviour was in showbiz circles. His guilt is inarguable in my opinion. If that is rushing to judgement, then I'll console myself that I am in the vast majority of people who have expressed an opinion.

 

[alumni]

Corroborative stories

All conveniently coming out AFTER a concerted press campaign for a well publicised TV programme.

Deary deary me.

 

[Big Tone]

You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of the dialogue in Reservoir Dogs when the great Steve Buscemi gets in Harvey Keitel’s face about the mole insider they had:

“I know I’m not the rat because I definitely know what I did or didn’t do but I cannot definitely say that about you because I don’t definitely know”. Something like that.

What we have here is someone or some people saying they definitely know. I’m not sure if that’s arrogant, stupid or just plain ole naïve...