Judaism is now a Nationality

[SirGalahad]

One for EFL

https://www.businessinsider.com/ame...rder-judaism-as-nationality-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday with the goal of combatting anti-Semitism on college campus.

However, The New York Times reported on Tuesday, citing three administration officials, that the executive order would classify Judaism as a race or nationality instead of just a religion — setting off a firestorm.

 

[JP_]

Surely they would have to do same for all religions, which means, you could officially become a Jedi!

 

[EFLImpudence]

Yes, clearly wrong but what would you expect from Trump.
He likely knows no better yet seems obsessively over protective of Israel.

Having said that, hasn't that been the view of Jews all along, thus contributing to all the fuss.
Anything criticising anything to do with Jews is classed as antisemitism and therefore racist.


I really don't understand why seemingly intelligent people in governments and the media cannot point out what simple words mean.
Not all Jews are Semitic; not all Semites are Jewish. Therefore ...


Why is it antisemitism and Islamophobia and not Semitophobia and anti-islamism?

What does Trump think of Semitic muslims?

 

[ellal]

Old news...

Bibi declared Israel to be a Jewish Nation, and thus any criticism against Israel is now anti-semitic and also 'racist'...

He therefore was saying 'f*ck the arabs', but in his ignorance he didn't realise he was being anti-semitic himself

Trump of course can be excused of such ignorance, because by default he is simply a corrupt misogynist racist piece of sh*t!

 

[SirGalahad]

Yes, clearly wrong but what would you expect from Trump.
He likely knows no better yet seems obsessively over protective of Israel.

Having said that, hasn't that been the view of Jews all along, thus contributing to all the fuss.
Anything criticising anything to do with Jews is classed as antisemitism and therefore racist.


I really don't understand why seemingly intelligent people in governments and the media cannot point out what simple words mean.
Not all Jews are Semitic; not all Semites are Jewish. Therefore ...


Why is it antisemitism and Islamophobia and not Semitophobia and anti-islamism?

What does Trump think of Semitic muslims?

https://www.adl.org/resources/fact-sheets/response-to-common-inaccuracy-arabs-cannot-be-anti-semitic

 

[EFLImpudence]

https://www.adl.org/resources/fact-sheets/response-to-common-inaccuracy-arabs-cannot-be-anti-semitic

"Quite simply, anti-Semitism refers to the hatred of Jews, whatever the nationality, race, color or creed of the perpetrator. Attempting to dismiss the term anti-Semitism because of semantics does not erase the fact of its existence or its history."

Yes, quite simply, it does - but even more simply it should and does not.

It might have been excusable in Germany at the time as they were the only Semitic people involved but having learned since that it is the wrong word it should have been corrected, but vested interests have instead promoted it for their own aims.

https://www.tikkun.org/who-gets-to-define-anti-semitism

 

[Vinty]

One for EFL

https://www.businessinsider.com/ame...rder-judaism-as-nationality-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday with the goal of combatting anti-Semitism on college campus.

However, The New York Times reported on Tuesday, citing three administration officials, that the executive order would classify Judaism as a race or nationality instead of just a religion — setting off a firestorm.

Judaism is the religion of the Jews, so it can't be described as an ethnicity or race.
Jew is regarded as an ethno/religious identity, you can be Jewish by birth even if your parents practice a religion other than Judaism or you can be a convert to Judaism.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...acially-discriminated-says-court-1842467.html

 

[JP_]

Milliband (I forget which one, the one that was leader I think) describes himself as an atheist Jew, so it obviously has more meaning to jews than just the religious aspect.

 

[Vinty]

The term anti Semitic should be amended to anti Jewish.
If someone didn't like Poles could that person be described as anti Slav or anti Polish.
The Jews represent only a small fraction of the Semitic people's of the world.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Milliband (I forget which one, the one that was leader I think) describes himself as an atheist Jew, so it obviously has more meaning to jews than just the religious aspect.

What is that extra meaning?

Can someone be a Catholic atheist? NO.

 

[Vinty]

"Quite simply, anti-Semitism refers to the hatred of Jews, whatever the nationality, race, color or creed of the perpetrator. Attempting to dismiss the term anti-Semitism because of semantics does not erase the fact of its existence or its history."

Yes, quite simply, it does - but even more simply it should and does not.

It might have been excusable in Germany at the time as they were the only Semitic people involved but having learned since that it is the wrong word it should have been corrected, but vested interests have instead promoted it for their own aims.

https://www.tikkun.org/who-gets-to-define-anti-semitism

Questioning whether the term should be anti Semitic or anti Jewish you have to be careful , you could be accused of being anti semantic.

 

[JP_]

What is that extra meaning?.

Cultural.

Can someone be a Catholic atheist? NO.

Why not? You could argue that people who celebrate Christmas, enjoy watching their kids do the nativity play and happily sing Christmas carols, but do not believe in God, are Atheist Christians.

I am sure there are many similar examples out there from all religious groups, where some family members do not follow the religion but enjoy the cultural aspects of their religious heritage.

A muslim example: https://www.vox.com/conversations/2...-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris

In that article it says "Richard Dawkins... Yet he has also described himself as a cultural Christian"

 

[fillyboy]

Unless you really really hate jews, does any of this really matter?

 

[durhamplumber]

Can someone be a Catholic atheist? NO.

I am sure many identify as precisely that.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Why not? You could argue that people who celebrate Christmas, enjoy watching their kids do the nativity play and happily sing Christmas carols, but do not believe in God, are Atheist Christians.

They could be Muslim.