landlord certificate

[brentwoodheating]

I'm still not sure what the actual complaint is?
You've got your new boiler which doesn't need to go on the LGSC until 12 months old. You appear not to have the Benchmark Cert- but has the Landlord got it?
At the moment you appear unhappy because you suspect the gas supply is undersized- and you may well be right, however, you've made no mention of faults or bad performance. I can understand that you want reassurance that the thing is correctly and safely fitted- and by a registered installer. Why not get your own corgi in to have a look and put the question to bed?

 

[ChrisR]

Quite. All a tenant ever gets is a copy of the Landlords "Certificate". The installation and service records for the boiler are strictly not the tenant's affair. There are no statutory rights to knowledge on that.

 

[Agile]

I once saw a Landlords certificate which had been issued when there was no gas supply at the property.

I was called to fix the boiler when the meter was fitted and it was found the boiler was faulty.

Tony

 

[Paul Barker]

I was asked to issue a landlord's certificate on a Morco in a caravan with no gas available. I got back in my van and drove off. No doubt they got one from somewhere.

 

[Alanmallam]

I'm still not sure what the actual complaint is?
You've got your new boiler which doesn't need to go on the LGSC until 12 months old. You appear not to have the Benchmark Cert- but has the Landlord got it?
At the moment you appear unhappy because you suspect the gas supply is undersized- and you may well be right, however, you've made no mention of faults or bad performance. I can understand that you want reassurance that the thing is correctly and safely fitted- and by a registered installer. Why not get your own corgi in to have a look and put the question to bed?

maybe i should have said question, rather than problem.my enquiry was to ask you people in the know ,what is the correct procedure ,rather than getting "cheesed off" for the last 10 mths, trying to get this accomodation to the standard it should have been at prior to occupancy. i haven't assumed the gas supply to be to small, the "gas fitter" told the tennants it is, but like everything else they're waiting for him to come back! why doesn't the new boiler have to be on the certificate?/or a new one be issued bearing in mind the old one was faulty.what it seem's to allow ( to me)if i have a cert, i can have item's removed and replaced by joe bloggs (sorry joe) ,and nobody is none the wiser ,'cos "i got a landlord cerificate".sorry to go on ,my bigger picture is the landlord, and his total disregard for laws or regulations ,or just plain common decency towards his student tenants who pay a hefty price for this accomodation.thanks chap's ,alanmallam.

 

[doitall]

Alanmallam.

it may have escaped your attention but all:- student accommodation is vetted by the university/college etc.

Better make that 90% before the wolves turn up

 

[ChrisR]

why doesn't the new boiler have to be on the certificate

Because the HSE doesn't require it.
Which makes perfect sense. The same rules that govern Landlords Gas Safety Records govern boiler installations, broadly.
So if a boiler is new it is therefore is safe, so no need for a test before 1 year.
You've obviously got it in for this landlord, but even if he is doing something wrong, you aren't in a position to cause him any bother through the new boiler.

 

[doitall]

I would agree with you Chris other than the engineer installed the new boiler knowing the gas was undersized.

Could open up a possible can of worms about other safety issues. I would be worried if it was my kids.

 

[Alanmallam]

Alanmallam.

it may have escaped your attention but all:- student accommodation is vetted by the university/college etc.

Better make that 90% before the wolves turn up

'fraid not all accomodation is vetted, they have a select amount that are! so if you miss them, you assume your letting agent is honourable, but in this case hard cheese, 'cos he's got loads of dosh and properties, and don't give a monkeys about them or any one else ,well he might be concerned about the people he's been paying off,oop's shouldn't have said that! (money oils the wheels of industry).cheers

 

[Alanmallam]

why doesn't the new boiler have to be on the certificate

Because the HSE doesn't require it.
Which makes perfect sense. The same rules that govern Landlords Gas Safety Records govern boiler installations, broadly.
So if a boiler is new it is therefore is safe, so no need for a test before 1 year.
You've obviously got it in for this landlord, but even if he is doing something wrong, you aren't in a position to cause him any bother through the new boiler.

hi chris, it's not that i've got it in for this landlord,my aim is not to "cause him bother through the new boiler " but for all the grief its taken to get this far ,bearing in mind his responsibility ,it should be in a "safe and habitable" condition prior to occupancy.if a boiler is new whats the problem with joe bloggs fitting it ?surely it needs to be recorded, who did it, and when. in the aircraft industry they have to record who did what ,when, so at least they have achance of who to blame, in this situation we don't know who did what, when, only the previous corgi man's name is on the original cert , so if it goes wrong do we blame him? thanks alanmallam.

 

[Paul Barker]

You are asking questions of the wrong people. We have told you the rules, you must now talk to the rule makers. Let us know how you get on with them, I haven't had much luck myself.

 

[meldrew's_mate]

Might also be a good idea to copy the landlord in on your letters to the HSE. L/L may not have a legal duty to have the new installation checked for safety immediately, but if there is cause for concern, and he is made aware of that, he would be a fool not to bring forward the next inspection to cover his own arse (and he doesn't seem like a fool).
Remember the inspection intervals are a maximum of 12 months.

 

[ChrisR]

surely it needs to be recorded, who did it, and when. in the aircraft industry they........

But it ain't the aircraft industry.

There ARE statutory procedures introduced recently but more than a year ago, to "Notify" any installation under the building regulations (Part L), and it is done through Corgi. If you think it may not have been, you could check with building control dept at your local council, who probably won't be interested because they were given no funding to be interested when the changes were introduced. It appllies to all properties, so there are millions.
Corgi ought to help, but I'd be surprised -
1) Data Protection Act etc.
2) Corgi are actually interested in money and power and don't give a toss about gas safety. If they did they'd fight for a register of LGSR's, for instance.

This (Notification) is nothing to do with the Landlords Gas Safety Record, or the tenant.
For goodness sake stop going on about a "Certificate"!
There is no such thing as a "Landlord's Certificate".
The LGSR is a record taken at the time of the test. It does not get updated withing the year.
If you have new brakes on your car you don't need to get them tested, let alone get a new MOT.

A landlord cannot "rely on a LGSR then get Joe Bloggs to do what he likes" during the year - any gas work has to be done by someone Corgi Registered, but they do NOT have to issue anything (even like eg the Sparkies "Minor works certificate").

Responsibility vests in the Landlord for the safety of the accommodation. He does NOT have to provide other than the statutory documentation, ie the LGSR.
He IS required to reasonably ensure that all work carried out is done properly, and that the installation is maintained in a safe condition, but there is no regulation about annual servicing, for instance.

If your #1 concern is the safety of the installation, get a Corgi regd person to do a LGSR for you. The form is not standard, there are some which say "Landlords/Homeowners GSR", "Gas installation safety check" etc.
If there's anything sufficiently wrong, he'll want to turn things off, there and then. Many boilers' gas pipes are undersized, but they would typically be "Not to current standard" but still the boiler would be "Safe For Use". There is no obligation to repair NTCS items.

A LARGE proportion of new installations are strictly NTCS, so are not getting notified.

 

[Paul Barker]

We do feel for you, there are all sorts of landlords, but from the gas side of things as Chris says, unless there is a fault which is greater than NCS, there is nothing we can dop to help your cause. The length and breadth of the land is absolutely packed full with ncs installations. You can't help tripping up over them all the time. I'm newish in the inmdustry and I couldn't believe how the situation arose. The guys here tell me it wasn't them doing all these ncs installations, it was off duty firmen! Now I think they are saying it is the Polish!

 

[Alanmallam]

thank's to everyone who responded to my "enquiry" .i now understand a little bit more about this "piece of paper", and it's "value" ? I know everything is not equal out there but, i am sure it's not rocket science to work out a registration for all landlord's(well most of them), to be on it , and made to service and maintain their "property and it's content's", after all they are exempt from paying council tax,(student's are exempt,thus allowing the" man" to be free of any charges ) so they could use some of the money saved there to assist them in maintaining their property. What are the chances of Corgi or the council drawing up alist of LGSR ? "0"
cheer's, i'm looking forward to changing my career in september to PLUMBING !! ( just like what my dear old dad & grandad were),so if you can put up with boring question's i'll be in touch again ! College await's ,Alanmallam. Ta!