Let's NOT give £350m extra each week to the NHS! A better idea....

[blightymam]

yet I'm paying more council tax every year what for exactly?

As well as waste, there is schools, police, fire, libraries (the ones that are left), parks & recreation (swimming pools, theatres, museums etc), public spaces, trading standards, record keeping (such as birth, deaths and marriages), street cleaning, social services - looking after children and the elderly, housing, street lighting....

OK, will shut up now!! Grins.

 

[blightymam]

. Don't blame the tax player blame the fukcing government.. blame jack straw for flooding this country with as many migrants as he could get his hands on since Blair got in if you must blame anyone.

I thought I'd read a headline or two about immigrants paying more in that they are taking out?

 

[Doggit]

yet I'm paying more council tax every year what for exactly

Let see, the police, schools, social services, the council, bin collections, housing benefit, the elderly, building control, planning department, environmental health - need I go on.

We pay about 10Bn a year to the EU, who then waste most of it. The accounts have never been signed off, and the EU parliament is the biggest waste of all; where else in the world would the parliament move lock stock and barrel twice a year between Luxembourg and Brussels, simply because they couldn't agree which city it should reside in.

Yes the brexiteers weren't very genuine quoting the £350 million a week, it's more like £205 I think, but what's the point of giving it to the NHS, when they just squander it. They give each other excessive payoffs for failure, have crap procurement services that waste money buying 27 different kinds of gloves, and then pay top notch for medicines that could be bought for a 20th of the price, when out of copyright. None of them know what they're doing, and couldn't run a **** up in a brewery, so what's the point of giving them more money, when they'll just waste it.

Doesn't matter which side you are on, all they ever can do is borrow more money because the banking cartels have most western nations over a barrel where that's concerned.. our country went bankrupt like 80 years ago... we are just paying off the interest

We're not bankrupt, just living beyond our means; but I would like to know where all this 1.6Tr we've borrowed comes from. The banking cartels don't have us over a barrel, but it was the likes of Gordon Brown that reduced banking controls, and allowed them to get away with murder; would we have had all these banking scandals if he hadn't.

brits like a drink and people go to far and sometimes need medical attention

Unfortunately, it got excessively worse after Blair decided that we should be more cosmopolitan, and have 24 hours drinking, that's why the Police and the NHS A&E are under so much strain, not from having one too many, but from preloading, and then deliberately setting out to get bladdered. It's one thing having a drink too many, and wandering home drunk, but entirely out of order to waste everyone's time and money because you're a useless piece of shyte that thinks it's okay to do what you like.

Don't blame the tax player blame the fukcing government.. blame jack straw for flooding this country with as many migrants as he could get his hands on since Blair got in if you must blame anyone

Bloody hell Hawkeye, something we agree on.

 

[HawkEye244]

As well as waste, there is schools, police, fire, libraries (the ones that are left), parks & recreation (swimming pools, theatres, museums etc), public spaces, trading standards, record keeping (such as birth, deaths and marriages), street cleaning, social services - looking after children and the elderly, housing, street lighting....

OK, will shut up now!! Grins.

Supposedly but :-

waste - you have to pay to dispose of commerical waste which is basically an added tax for using the service you've already paid for, this has pushed people to to flytip - perhaps if the government made large construction companies actually pay tax, it would mean small tradesmen/business/people that can barely afford to dispose of waste don't having to pay again... also the council doesn't dispose of large household items you have to pay - YOUVE ALREADY FUKCING PAID NO IFS NO BUTS.

schools - aren't most under-performing? I mean not nearly as bad as under Labour, but compared to countries like China we have a terrible education system - again you've got to pay to give your child a proper private education or you are lucky enough to be in the catchment area of a well performing state school.

police - nuff said on this really, used to be called constables, now called officers or 'enforcers', primary role is to generate revenue for the government (punitive fines etc etc), actual police work and neighbourhood relations NON-EXISTANT, certainly the case in the city where everyone is from somewhere else, no culture, any national identity completely destroyed, don't blame police for being shyte at their job

fire - check - closing them down year on year - noble profession while it lasts

libraries - check - closing them down year on year, some services you have to pay for, ones I have been to demand an hourly fee to use a computer, despite the fact there may be no demand for them at that time, hence no reason to charge - IVE ALREADY PAID TAX FOR THIS SERVICE

parks & recreation - check - some nice parks in London

swimming pools, theatres, museums etc - name me one you don't have to pay to visit? I can think of one and it's sh1t (the tate modern)

trading standards - lol

record keeping - check

street cleaning looking after children and the elderly, housing, street lighting - check - although for the most part this is a disgusting country, litter in the metropolitan areas is a big problem, the council should clean this up, it doesn't happen for the most part. Round my way piles of stinking filth/fly tipped/waste bags lie around for months sometimes before being cleaned up. Doesn't matter who did it, SORT IT FFS !!

social services - yeah ok, when they get it right







Honestly if this is democracy how bad is communism ?

 

[HawkEye244]

I thought I'd read a headline or two about immigrants paying more in that they are taking out?

Source? Don't bother if it's a link from the Beeb

 

[JohnD]

YOUVE ALREADY FUKCING PAID

No you haven't

You've paid a lower amount which doesn't include this extra cost.

 

[Doggit]

Honestly if this is democracy how bad is communism

Same service, just cheaper, but with no options. In Russia, you had queues going round the corner for meat and potatoes. China had a one child policy, and anyone who dissents get locked up for trying to subvert the state. At least we have democracy, just a completely incompetent government, but communism professes to make everyone the same, except those in charge of course - blimey, sounds like capitalism at the end of the day doesn't it.

 

[blightymam]

Supposedly but :-

waste - you have to pay to dispose of commerical waste which is basically an added tax for using the service you've already paid for, this has pushed people to to flytip - perhaps if the government made large construction companies actually pay tax, it would mean small tradesmen/business/people that can barely afford to dispose of waste don't having to pay again... also the council doesn't dispose of large household items you have to pay - YOUVE ALREADY FUKCING PAID NO IFS NO BUTS.

schools - aren't most under-performing? I mean not nearly as bad as under Labour, but compared to countries like China we have a terrible education system - again you've got to pay to give your child a proper private education or you are lucky enough to be in the catchment area of a well performing state school.

police - nuff said on this really, used to be called constables, now called officers or 'enforcers', primary role is to generate revenue for the government (punitive fines etc etc), actual police work and neighbourhood relations NON-EXISTANT, certainly the case in the city where everyone is from somewhere else, no culture, any national identity completely destroyed, don't blame police for being shyte at their job

fire - check - closing them down year on year - noble profession while it lasts

libraries - check - closing them down year on year, some services you have to pay for, ones I have been to demand an hourly fee to use a computer, despite the fact there may be no demand for them at that time, hence no reason to charge - IVE ALREADY PAID TAX FOR THIS SERVICE

parks & recreation - check - some nice parks in London

swimming pools, theatres, museums etc - name me one you don't have to pay to visit? I can think of one and it's sh1t (the tate modern)

trading standards - lol

record keeping - check

street cleaning looking after children and the elderly, housing, street lighting - check - although for the most part this is a disgusting country, litter in the metropolitan areas is a big problem, the council should clean this up, it doesn't happen for the most part. Round my way piles of stinking filth/fly tipped/waste bags lie around for months sometimes before being cleaned up. Doesn't matter who did it, SORT IT FFS !!

social services - yeah ok, when they get it right







Honestly if this is democracy how bad is communism ?

You asked a question about what your money went on!! We weren't talking about how good the services are. Should we pay more tax? That would more than likely improve our standard of services in the UK.


ps, nearly all the museums are free, if not all - esp in London. Sometimes have to pay for a special exhibit but in the main it's free. A lot of pools are funded by the council, the cost to go for a swim, £3-4 is cheap.Plus more than likely does not cover the cost of staff, heating, cleaning, building etc. But cheaper than a private gym......

 

[blightymam]

Ok, things like waste.
I don't have a problem with companies paying more to take waste - they create more so why shouldn't they pay more? They make a profit, someone putting their bins out once a fortnight at home doesn't. It costs more to process that waste from companies because there is more of it. If a company/person cannot factor the costs of running their company and feel hard done by enough to fly tip then they shouldn't run a company or let greed take over.

Street cleaning in London and other cities - there's more people in cities, there's more mess. Anyone who lives in a city sees that mess created daily, hourly, seen it when I lived in London. When I lived in Brighton, you should've seen the state of the beach every morning, it looked like a local council dump for the whole beach and every morning it was cleaned up. So what's the solution? Employing more people to clean up after lazy, dirty people costs money, so have to raise taxes or take the money from a different service. Or teach people not to litter as it seriously has to be one of the most stupid waste of money.

The police. The police have had their money cut back. Less money, less staff, less able to do their job. I know in the part of Essex I live in they no longer answer calls to many little things like unsociable behaviour, they now say it's now a council issue ha ha. Same as our ambulance. We no longer have an ambulance service at weekends where I live, instead having to wait for the next town to have a bus free. Last time I phoned an ambulance was because a chap got hit in the head very badly, twice, with a garden chair outside a pub and he fell against my door at about 11.30pm. The ambulance took over half an hour to get to us, the police over 20 mins despite being a few hundred yards up the road and another fight kicking off. Why? Cuts to funding, solution is to raise taxes or stop people behaving like knobs.

Libraries.
The council pay for the building, the stuff inside, the staff, special events run for kids etc. We've always paid a small amount to libraries for extras like photocopiers or for late book fines. These prices are minimum and not unfair. They are not making money, they are providing a service - so if you have to pay a little bit towards the costs of broadband or the computers themselves, you're still getting a bargain. More people who use them then perhaps more reason to fight councils to keep them?

Education has always been a hot topic. I went to state schools in the 70's and they were terrible then so what is the answer? Is it more schools, more teachers and less kids in class.....? Have to pay more tax for that. Have you seen the method of teaching in China? They are like robots, it's all photographic memory stuff. I think I like kids to be kids - up to a point of course!!

Anyway, this country I agree, is run badly and cuts to the NHS (although not paid for by council tax), fire & police is really worrying, the solutions to all of it is for more funding. To get more funding the UK needs to be better ran, not as many fingers in the pies, not too much waste and no more letting companies duck out of paying billions in tax..... Or of course, they just keep raising the council tax every year. Raising income tax is a vote loser and around in circles we go.

 

[noseall]

See I think most people don't realise most of the money we pay is used by the government to pay their debt off.. but they never talk about that.

And who do you think is the cause of that debt, Einstein?

 

[noseall]

Source? Don't bother if it's a link from the Beeb

Where do you get your news from? You seem to think that every news source is corrupt. Even those news agencies that are competing with one another. Do you think that every journalist in the western world is somehow suppressed?

 

[HawkEye244]

You asked a question about what your money went on!! We weren't talking about how good the services are. Should we pay more tax? That would more than likely improve our standard of services in the UK.


ps, nearly all the museums are free, if not all - esp in London. Sometimes have to pay for a special exhibit but in the main it's free. A lot of pools are funded by the council, the cost to go for a swim, £3-4 is cheap.Plus more than likely does not cover the cost of staff, heating, cleaning, building etc. But cheaper than a private gym......

Hold on.. what the money already goes on it obviously not the service, otherwise you'd get a service. What we have is a shambles.

Hold on again.. who is 'we' ? Is 'we' the general population, because not sure if you've noticed but council tax and other taxes increase year on year and less and less people can afford to pay what they do currently. The 'we' I am referring to does not involve corporations, tax evaders/dodgers etc.. I'm talking about people that make vast amounts of money without paying tax on it, I'm not referring to joe blogs who does a bit of cash in hand work now and again. There was a time in this country where not one single service was privatised, a time before council tax, when services were run from what people paid in income tax.. in contrast go to a european country and you will pay next to nothing for vital services (trains,buses etc) because they are heavily subsidised by the government through taxes people have already paid. I really don't take kindle to apologisers of this current system. I think the real issue is that there is no one single politician that will stand up for the people, wealth inequality has gotten gradually worse and worse and by 2040 there will be half the amount of jobs there is today due to automation/mechanication, yet another few million people...

all government can do is sell off public services to pay back money they shouldn't have borrowed in the first place. No idea where our pride still comes from, we have the worst transport system in europe (certainly the case in London) - despite the fact it's privately owned, the money you pay every day is daylight robbery and the service is inefficient and substandard. You can't have it both ways, you can't have everything privatised then still be expected to pay more in council tax and other taxes, every year because the government says there's no money. I'm not going to turn on my fellow man because the government is using excuses not to use the money properly.. most of the money you and I pay in council tax goes to pay off government debt, their debt, not ours.

The services you mention, which are free? It's not ''free'' is it, you've paid for it, it's been paid for by you, so forget the word free. Cost of swimming? Already paid, that's the point. You are making excuses for this type of thing, not good. The cost of staff, heating, cleaning, building etc paid for by the tax payer. PAID. PAID. PAID. Cheaper than a private gym ? A private gym is a private gym.. round my way there are no council funded swimming pool anyway so not sure where you are but it sounds great.

 

[HawkEye244]

And who do you think is the cause of that debt, Einstein?

Not public services. For a start, London is the most corrupt city in Europe, billions of money is laundered every year because it's easy for these criminals to hide their money.

Do you think the Iraq war and subsequent wars you've paid for have helped you, you halfwit ?

 

[HawkEye244]

Where do you get your news from? You seem to think that every news source is corrupt. Even those news agencies that are competing with one another. Do you think that every journalist in the western world is somehow suppressed?

All the mainstream news corps in this country are owned by a handful of people that share the same political ideologies, i.e. mass immigration is a good thing etc.. there is no competing.. in the same way there is no competition when it comes to the energy market.. the CEOS all sit round a table drumming up the best ways to rip off the public as best they can. You are a dumbass.

In answer to your question about every western journalist being supressed? YES, I do, and couldn't have said better myself. There are stringent guidelines on what you can and cannot publicise. Do you think a journalist would last a week in their job if they started talking about money mechanics and the rothchild/rockafellas ? Your trolling really irritates me at times.

 

[HawkEye244]

Ok, things like waste.
I don't have a problem with companies paying more to take waste - they create more so why shouldn't they pay more? They make a profit, someone putting their bins out once a fortnight at home doesn't. It costs more to process that waste from companies because there is more of it. If a company/person cannot factor the costs of running their company and feel hard done by enough to fly tip then they shouldn't run a company or let greed take over.

Street cleaning in London and other cities - there's more people in cities, there's more mess. Anyone who lives in a city sees that mess created daily, hourly, seen it when I lived in London. When I lived in Brighton, you should've seen the state of the beach every morning, it looked like a local council dump for the whole beach and every morning it was cleaned up. So what's the solution? Employing more people to clean up after lazy, dirty people costs money, so have to raise taxes or take the money from a different service. Or teach people not to litter as it seriously has to be one of the most stupid waste of money.

The police. The police have had their money cut back. Less money, less staff, less able to do their job. I know in the part of Essex I live in they no longer answer calls to many little things like unsociable behaviour, they now say it's now a council issue ha ha. Same as our ambulance. We no longer have an ambulance service at weekends where I live, instead having to wait for the next town to have a bus free. Last time I phoned an ambulance was because a chap got hit in the head very badly, twice, with a garden chair outside a pub and he fell against my door at about 11.30pm. The ambulance took over half an hour to get to us, the police over 20 mins despite being a few hundred yards up the road and another fight kicking off. Why? Cuts to funding, solution is to raise taxes or stop people behaving like knobs.

Libraries.
The council pay for the building, the stuff inside, the staff, special events run for kids etc. We've always paid a small amount to libraries for extras like photocopiers or for late book fines. These prices are minimum and not unfair. They are not making money, they are providing a service - so if you have to pay a little bit towards the costs of broadband or the computers themselves, you're still getting a bargain. More people who use them then perhaps more reason to fight councils to keep them?

Education has always been a hot topic. I went to state schools in the 70's and they were terrible then so what is the answer? Is it more schools, more teachers and less kids in class.....? Have to pay more tax for that. Have you seen the method of teaching in China? They are like robots, it's all photographic memory stuff. I think I like kids to be kids - up to a point of course!!

Anyway, this country I agree, is run badly and cuts to the NHS (although not paid for by council tax), fire & police is really worrying, the solutions to all of it is for more funding. To get more funding the UK needs to be better ran, not as many fingers in the pies, not too much waste and no more letting companies duck out of paying billions in tax..... Or of course, they just keep raising the council tax every year. Raising income tax is a vote loser and around in circles we go.

Agreed but I get very irritated by government because government is nothing, it has nothing of it's own, that's why it has to take from the people, but the people are paying for services for the whole community and not the existance of the government. I'm annoyed by the fact government seems to think it has a purpose/right to exist in and of itself, but it doesn't, it's just a middle man, an expensive middle man that's supposed to use the money to get stuff done on behalf of everyone. It seems to be an increasing irrelevance as time goes on because government seems to be useless at almost everything and yet it's become a bully boy, a hungry parasite justified by it's own existance, yet the only power it has is the power we give it, and those in the political class seem to be able to go against the peoples interests routinely, Blair being the worst example of a tyrannt yet suffers no consequences. In a bygone era people in official positions were hanged for treason.