Living rooms have shrunk?

[Notch7]

Notch7, you are confused. Too much information overload. Look at the videos again and understand them. It will clear up a lot

You are right, I am confused, I dont see how your sarcastic response is a positive way to present a persuasive argument.

 

[hard-work]

You are right, I am confused, I dont see how your sarcastic response is a positive way to present a persuasive argument.

I was not being sarcastic. I was trying to help. I am sure all this is very new to you. Someone who has been thinking one way for a long time, as that is the way most are pushed, and then finds a spanner in that works tends to become rhetorical.

 

[noseall]

Someone who has been thinking one way for a long time

Love it!
Sums up Notmuchtosay to a tee.

 

[Notch7]

Sums up Notmuchtosay to a tee

Oh the irony

Noseall, the person that almost never makes a post longer than a few words and has never contributed in any depth to any discussion.

Where is your contribution to this thread?

 

[Notch7]

7.7% of the whole UK including gardens and other green spaces (Kate Barker report 2005). Propaganda in the hands of vested interests state the UK is busting at the seems and running out of land. The country is empty. The richest people are landowners - financial parasites.

If the land is nearly empty, is land ownership the main factor preventing it being built on?

 

[Notch7]

I'd rather people incomes are taxed less and wealth is taxed more. Wealth that was created by everyone economic activity but appropriated by the land owners

I see, so land value tax is really a redistribution of wealth from rich to poor....as I said previously.

 

[Notch7]

t would encourage more efficient use of land. Your argument that you own your land and have built on it is an argument for LVT as you have used your land by building on it

I would argue planning regulations is the primary hindrance to efficient use of land not the ownership of land.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

If the land is nearly empty, is land ownership the main factor preventing it being built on?

I think you are trying to digress the discussion towards your argument, which are based on your assumptions.
What I think kankerot and hardwork are saying is that if there was a LVT, the land owner would want to use that land profitably to pay the LVT.

 

[Notch7]

Very little of the land in the UK is not viable for building. If all towns, cities, villages and supporting infrastructure was doubled, it still would not make much impact on the land mass. The country would still be largely empty

As above, I would argue the restriction of building on land is planning regulations not land ownership.

 

[Notch7]

Valuing land is easy, estate agents do it all the time

Is it?

I would argue otherwise.

Scenario:

A plot of brownfield land is owned by somebody and is valued at £1m

LVT is introduced. £100k per year.

The owner wants to getting planning permission. Planning could take 5 years and outcome unknown. So owner decides to sell. Land can only sell at £10k because nobody wants to buy it.

How much does the land valuation tax department value the land at now?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

As above, I would argue the restriction of building on land is planning regulations not land ownership.

If the influential land owners were paying a LVT, for no return, you can bet your bottom dollar that planning regulations would be modified.

 

[Notch7]

Land would automatically be redistributed to productive people - by the free market

How?

If a plot of land has a land value tax put on it, who would want to buy it without planning permission. Its just buying an open ended debt.

Itwould sell at a very low price, but how would it then be valued.

 

[Notch7]

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."

Are you trying to suggest the LVT is a lie, but if you repeat it enough everybody will believe it?

Or are you trying to say LVT is a utopian tax and anybody that doesnt agree is therefore stupid?

If you think tbe correct answer is 2, then perhaps if you want people to buy into believing it, you might want to stop calling them stupid.

 

[Brigadier]

I see, so land value tax is really a redistribution of wealth from rich to poor....as I said previously.

Partially.

Consider who actually "owns" the most land in the UK though.
Forestry Commission
Crown Estates
The National Trust
The MOD
The RSPB

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Partially.

Consider who actually "owns" the most land in the UK though.
Forestry Commission
Crown Estates
The National Trust
The MOD
The RSPB

I think kankerot's and hardwork's proposal of a LVT would change that situation.
So the current scenario is no argument against the proposal.