Loads of Albanians

[ajohn]

43% of all claims are rejected on the basis of a safe 3rd country

How come the deportation rate has dropped off?

 

[motorbiking]

Only updated by that clause, end of June or July 2022.

Original text:
(2)If, in coming from the country where his life or freedom was threatened, the refugee stopped in another country outside the United Kingdom, subsection (1) applies only if he shows that he could not reasonably have expected to be given protection under the Refugee Convention in that other country.

Its been like this. for 20+ years

How come the deportation rate has dropped off?

Country of origin has changed a bit, we don't have Dublin convention any more, a lot go underground due to criminal networks.. and the government is having difficulty getting a solution through the legal system. We also have a large well funded "human rights" legal industry which is getting abused. Though, thats due to change.

The greeks use clandestine push back teams, which we could try, but that wouldn't be "British".

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Original text:
(2)If, in coming from the country where his life or freedom was threatened, the refugee stopped in another country outside the United Kingdom, subsection (1) applies only if he shows that he could not reasonably have expected to be given protection under the Refugee Convention in that other country.

Its been like this. for 20+ years

Country of origin has changed a bit, we don't have Dublin convention any more, a lot go underground due to criminal networks.. and the government is having difficulty getting a solution through the legal system. We also have a large well funded "human rights" legal industry which is getting abused. Though, thats due to change.

The greeks use clandestine push back teams, which we could try, but that wouldn't be "British".

so it's easy to refuse the application and deport then?

what's the issue ?

 

[gant]

The was a spate of disembowelment going on in the capital, is it still on the go, ceased, or not reported?
Link gives you a flavour.

Six arrests after teen boy 'disemboweled' as four stabbed on estate

One boy is in a critical condition and another is seriously ill after four teenagers were stabbed on a south London housing estate.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

 

[Vinty]

Vinty has failed to find a law, so, like an angry monkey, he resorts to flinging his dung.

I don't get angry, sorry if i gave you that impression.
However, you appear to be the original Mr Angry from Aberdeen or wherever you come from.
You seem to get a bit agitated when anyone points out the obvious defects in Britains immigration policies.

 

[Vinty]

The was a spate of disembowelment going on in the capital, is it still on the go, ceased, or not reported?
Link gives you a flavour.

Six arrests after teen boy 'disemboweled' as four stabbed on estate

One boy is in a critical condition and another is seriously ill after four teenagers were stabbed on a south London housing estate.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

What next, Cannibalism.?

 

[gant]

Would it come as a surprise?

 

[Pat ex]

Original text:
(2)If, in coming from the country where his life or freedom was threatened, the refugee stopped in another country outside the United Kingdom, subsection (1) applies only if he shows that he could not reasonably have expected to be given protection under the Refugee Convention in that other country.

Its been like this. for 20+ years

So it hasn't been acted upon for the last 20+ years?
Would that be because it's in contravention of the ECHR?

And if it's legally acceptable, what is the problem with asylum seekers arriving from France. According to that clause, they can all be dep[orted to Rwanda, or wherever.
Except they can't at the moment. Why would that be?

 

[Vinty]

No. But you framed it as the ONLY criteria for seeking asylum. Wrong.

Where did i say it was the only criteria?.
I just pointed out that a lot of these illegals crossing the channel would have their claim for refugee status rejected under Article 31.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Where did i say it was the only criteria?.
I just pointed out that a lot of these illegals crossing the channel would have their claim for refugee status rejected under Article 31.

And there is the nub. It is way more complicated than 1 section on its own

 

[Pat ex]

Where did i say it was the only criteria?.
I just pointed out that a lot of these illegals crossing the channel would have their claim for refugee status rejected under Article 31.

But the first time it was tried to deport them, the ECHR determined it was in contravention of the Charter.

 

[motorbiking]

Not quite - they said the UK should wait until 3 weeks after the judicial review. They haven't said the policy is illegal. Would you like the text so you can read it?

 

[Pat ex]

Not quite - they said the UK should wait until 3 weeks after the judicial review. They haven't said the policy is illegal. Would you like the text so you can read it?

So why was the flight stopped, if it was not in contravention of the ECHR charter?
Because the law had not been fully tested, and or scrutinised, perhaps

 

[noseall]

Where did i say it was the only criteria?.
I just pointed out that a lot of these illegals crossing the channel would have their claim for refugee status rejected under Article 31.

Glad you cleared that up. Agree there are many influences and not just an unsafe country.

 

[ajohn]

Its been like this. for 20+ years

Why isn't that working then?