Look what I found under my wallpaper!

[ColJack]

again, that's not the law itself, more of a guidance to the law for councils and such..

the actual statutory instrument does not mention routing in the same area..

//www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:statutory-instrument

it does still say you have to notify work in a kitchen ( more specifically it says you DON'T have to notify if the work is NOT in a kitchen, or several other specified areas.. )

since it's still work in a kitchen then you'd still have to notify even to replace a damaged cable...

 

[davelx]

since it's still work in a kitchen then you'd still have to notify even to replace a damaged cable...

Not the way I read Schedule 2B. Para's (1) & (2) seem to me to be entirely seperate - ie there is an implied OR between them, not an AND.

Therefore replacing a damaged cable in a kitchen matches on 2B-1(b) and no further check is needed - it's not notifable.

Similarly, replacing fixed electrical equipment in a kitchen, where there are no changes needed to the circuits, is not notifiable - otherwise you'd have to notify to simply replace a washing machine, freezer etc. and I think eveyone accepts that that is not the case. It's the same logic.

This has been discussed before on this forum.

 

[Spark123]

No, you wouldn't have to notify to replace a damaged cable even in a kitchen (comes under scedule 2B, 1(b)).

 

[Stoday]

No you don't need to notify to comply with part P of the Building Regulations, i.e. the law. However you do to comply with the Approved Document part P.

The law says you don't need to notify work consisting of... (b) replacing a damaged cable for a single circuit only..., with no restriction on the route.

On the other hand, the initial AD part P says ...(a) On condition that the replacement cable has the same current carrying capacity, follows the same route and does not serve more than one sub-circuit through a distribution board.

The latest version of the AD says ...(a) On condition that the replacement cable has the same current carrying capacity and follows the same route.

In this case there is no conflict under the law whereas there is in the advice of the AD. Clearly it's appropriate to comply with the law rather than the AD and you don't need to notify.

 

[Spark123]

Not the way I read Schedule 2B. Para's (1) & (2) seem to me to be entirely seperate - ie there is an implied OR between them, not an AND.

You're right in essence, para (2) is talking about adding lights, light switches, sockets, FCUs etc to the circuits hence if the OP isn't adding anything doesn't apply.

 

[Stoday]

it does still say you have to notify work in a kitchen ( more specifically it says you DON'T have to notify if the work is NOT in a kitchen, or several other specified areas.. )

It is worded so that this restriction only applies to
Adding lighting points (light fittings and switches) to an existing circuit
Adding socket-outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit.
.

 

[17thman]

so my school boy error is to assume that what is stated in the approved document is not referred to or stated in the actual statutory instrument

I told you i defer to BAS, you have made it very clear STODAY, thanks.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

 

[mattylad]

For the above, I won't notify anyway. I can't afford the £110 fee just to let them know I have made a cable safe.

I had a look in the room above & I'm not going to be able to come straight down, I doubt I'm going to be able to do that without some massive problems.

What if I just knock the plaster off, expose the cable & if it's not - put it in steel conduit then re plaster all up?
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But on the other side of the chimney/cooker look what else I found when mopping the floor this morning.
View media item 9415I'm not surprised at this either.

I'll investigate where this goes to/from later.

 

[Steve]

Yep, 9.24 BF electronic.

Obsoleted many years ago and a constant cause of lots of problems.
urrent one is overheating (likely clogged DHW HE).

Really?? Ours has been problem free pretty much, apart from the odd diverter valve. Still got the original pump! But the flue has been illegal for 10 years, when new regs regarding window openings came in.

 

[tim west]

about 4000+ HCF4040 & LM324 non ROSH IC's in tubes that were being thrown out by my previous employer

Can't see the logic in that...going to sell them under the counter?
you could always opamp to give them away?

 

[plugwash]

Afaict there is nothing illegal about selling non rohs compliant components. ROHS only applies to the complete equipment made out of them and there are many categories of equipment that are exempt.

 

[mattylad]

Rosh also requires that it's a percentage of the total package that can be lead, and even with most components still having it they are still under the rosh limit.

Not that it mattered, we made fire alarms & they are exempt.

They were al being whizzed in a tidy up, the space was worth more than the bits so I wanted to save them (I'm a hoarder).
Only now I'm stuck with them, cant take them to the dump or I'll be accused of dumping business waste.

I could try selling them on Ebay, 1/2 the price I can see anywhere else.
Not that I think anyone will want them now, well not in the thousands.

I'll give away on Frecycle what I can, then I have always wondered what I can build with the tubes... lol

 

[mattylad]

I have been chiselling today....
The SDS does make it a lot easier

As you can see, it's the ring (I think, I have yet to lift floorboards upstairs that are actually above it to confirm).

Not set too deep either, most of it at about "lets put a screw in the wall here" height was only 5mm below the surface.

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The single socket below is a mess too, in my attempts to replace this damaged cable (and it has been) I think I may have accidentally also damaged the back box so will have to replace that too.
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I only have double gang back boxes & socket fronts to replace it with, will that matter?

I have started chiselling straight up above the socket, although there are plenty of big stones the SDS does help here
Looks like I have to go up & across, plate over the top & re plaster.
If I have to replace the cable it's a good job I have a roll of the old colour cable still.

Heck knows what all this naffness is going to inside the socket:
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I'll certainly have to improve on that when replacing it, grommets, earthing back box, not having exposed copper etc.

The red taped choc block is just typical of what I have been finding in this house, you should see the lighting circuit for the cellar lights!

For now what I want to do is make this wall safe, I'm thinking that the kitchen will get a complete rewire and put on it's own ring etc in future years, providing I find a job and we manage to keep hold of it & the rest of the house it's attached to. We do have plans of giving the kitchen a major overhaul, for now this was supposed to just be a paint &paper job

Before you ask, re testing - bro_in_law is an industrial electrician so I'll get him to pop round with his meters etc.

 

[ColJack]

can you not just move that socket to the right so it comes straight under the cable?

also, do you really need that socket or could you not just lose it?