loop in at the switch

[RF Lighting]

Whats your point?

Lots of DIYers come here asking for diagrams of loop in at the ceiling rose two way switching arrangements too

Hell, two reds at a switch is enough to confuse some DIYers

 

[jockspark]

thats it i give up all i said was i dont like the method every time i have came across it it has been a mess over crowded switches front plates forced back on to con blocks if you can do it correct and safe good luck to you its not just me as isaid at the risk of repeating myself if you had 3 sparks on a site and they where trade testing say for the contract for 10 flats and i used this method do you think he would get the contract

 

[RF Lighting]

Don't see why not

 

[jockspark]

i give up you can take a horse to water but a pencil must be lead

 

[Spark123]

You can't teach an old dog new tricks

Thought it was lead a horse?

 

[jockspark]

ok lets try this you have a question in your 17th edition exam and be honest


how many live conductors would you expect to find in the last sp switch in a lighting circuit
a 1
b 2
c 4
d 6

 

[Spark123]

In the switch itself, it would be b (2)
You wouldn't connect the neutrals to the switch.

 

[jockspark]

ok should have said at the switch your pretty sharp at this time of night must have had an afternoon nap

 

[Spark123]

It can be b or c , what if the last one was your feed to the outside light? What if it one which has an electronic timer? If they asked using the loop in ceiling rose method then the answer would be 2 live conductors.
If the outside light example was used where the neutral loops via the switch then the answer would be 4 live conductors.

 

[jockspark]

thats it enjoyed the thread will come back with a topic that can come to a right or wrong conclusion goodnight lads

 

[daytona]

who cares?
the point it,these days with all the fancy fittings people want,its often a far superior way of doing things.started doing it over 20 years ago on terminal four as a sixteen year old apprentice,still do it now.
no issue.

 

[daytona]

who are you testing?
yourself or us?

 

[Spark123]

I thought they would have used conduits and the likes on T4?

 

[daytona]

they did (we did) spark.im just trying to say its a legitimate method of wiring and has crossed over into the domestic sector.its not a new thing,its one of the first things i learnt,its an old method adapted to a different environment.

 

[Spark123]

When I did conduit installation we looped phases via the switches and neutrals via the fittings, I can see where you are coming from with looping the phase via the switch though.