MCB too small for shower

ricicle said:
securespark said:
To start with, an mcb does not trip at its rated. It must trip within 1. something of its rated current (can't remember what that figure is.... :oops: )

1.45

Google is a dangerous thing, and I found the following:

www.moeller.co.uk/ta_mcb_basics.htm

which says:

An MCB, which reacts instantaneously, would trip every time such a peak occurred, which would make it unusable. Fortunately, the thermal element in MCBs does not react instantaneously, as the bi-metal strip takes time to heat up. It is, therefore, hardly affected by short-term current peaks. By changing the design of the bimetal elements, MCB manufacturers can determine what size of peak current a particular MCB will ignore, and for what length of time. This relationship between current and tripping time is usually shown as a curve, known as the MCB's trip characteristic.

To avoid the need for users to work with the curves, BS EN 60898 defines several types of standard characteristic, the most important of which are Types B, C and D, all of which are included in Moeller FAZ range. In most cases, it's easy to choose one of these types to match the application in hand, and only in really specialised applications will users need to work with the full characteristic curves.

Type B MCBs react quickly to overloads, and are set to trip when the current passing through them is between 3 and 4.5 times the normal full load current. They are suitable for protecting incandescent lighting and socket-outlet circuits in domestic and commercial environments, where there is little risk of surges that could cause the MCB to trip.

Type C MCBs react more slowly, and are recommended for applications involving inductive loads with high inrush currents, such as fluorescent lighting installations. Type C MCBs are set to trip at between 5 and 10 times the normal full load current.

Type D MCBs are slower still, and are set to trip at between 10 and 20 times the normal full load current. They are recommended only for circuits with very high inrush currents, such as those feeding transformers and welding machines.
 
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An MCB comprises of two parts to the trip, a thermal and a magnetic. The thermal part looks after overloads and the magnetic looks after fault currents.
The 1.45 is referring to the thermal part of the MCB, the MCB will not trip instantaneously when a 1.45x overload occurs, if you look at the characteristics of an MCB this current can be sustained for minutes. The thermal parts are similar for B,C and D type MCBs.
For a type B MCB the magnetic setting is 3-5x the rated current of the device, exceeding this current should operate the trip in 0.1s. This is why you need to ensure your earth fault loop impedance is low enough to ensure enough current (type B = 5x) can flow through the fault loop to ensure the MCB trips.
 
Steve__M said:
Both these MCBs seem too small - why aren't they tripping?

You should base your calculations on 230V, but in reality the supply is 240V because nothing has changed since harmonisation exept labels.
 
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Thanks all for your help. Sounds like the MCB is "on the edge" and I need to get a qualified person in to check it.

lazygit said:
Steve__M said:
Both these MCBs seem too small - why aren't they tripping?

You should base your calculations on 230V, but in reality the supply is 240V because nothing has changed since harmonisation exept labels.

That was part of my worry, the original shower is quite old. If the old heat exchanger was 9.5kW based on 240V and the new one is based on 230 volts then the new one is going to be designed to draw about 3 amps more current.

Anyway I phoned the Shower Doctor, who reckons the new one will be identical to the old - so I'll fit and hope.
 

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