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cant see the interest in it at all


isreal is a land thief and the lebanese are the victims here

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter so i quess hiz bulls eye are the good guys in this conflict


why dont all the other arab nation attack isreal ? they outnumber them by 100 to 1 is it technology

why does isreal have over 200 nuclear warheads at is disposal :eek:
 
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This is starting to look like it is better thought out than it seems. Maybe Hezbollah while conducting a small ambush have walked into a bigger one. They are saying that they didn't expect the extent of the Israeli response and the Uk USA and Israel seem to have a remakably well thought out line on how this must end given that it is supposed to be an unexpected crisis

Maybe they have decided this is a good way to confront Iran without actually starting a shooting war with them and were just waiting for a suitable provacation to go at Hezbollah full bore

Shades of the cold war
 
I think you may be right:

A sprat to catch a mackerel.
 
aye looks that way but waht is that lil sprat has some shark m8s ?? anyone know what the sharks called

i know a cuppla guppies you wouldnt want to meet in a dark alley:cool:
 
pickles said:
This is starting to look like it is better thought out than it seems.
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...or worse...depending on your perspective.

It's not easy to see clearly with all the possible political machinations going on. Conspiracy theories and smokescreens cloud our view, but who's baiting who?.....we do know the core beliefs of the neo-con Bush administration through the statements of The Project for the New American Century...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

I doubt there is the real political will from America to resolve the Middle East situation that accounts for both sides grievances, otherwise more concerted efforts to tackle the disputed territories would have been undertaken (instead of a war on Iraq, for instance) and more would have been done about terrorist training camps, preachers of hate and arms sales. Money and power appear overriding factors at the expense of justice and peace.

America is now flying in more weapons to Israel. The cycle of revenge is fed instead of broken. :(
 
noodlz said:
pickles said:
This is starting to look like it is better thought out than it seems.
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...or worse...depending on your perspective.

It's not easy to see clearly with all the possible political machinations going on. Conspiracy theories and smokescreens cloud our view, but who's baiting who?.....we do know the core beliefs of the neo-con Bush administration through the statements of The Project for the New American Century...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

I doubt there is the real political will from America to resolve the Middle East situation that accounts for both sides grievances, otherwise more concerted efforts to tackle the disputed territories would have been undertaken (instead of a war on Iraq, for instance) and more would have been done about terrorist training camps, preachers of hate and arms sales. Money and power appear overriding factors at the expense of justice and peace.

America is now flying in more weapons to Israel. The cycle of revenge is fed instead of broken. :(
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I think you could well be right. The more I look at it the more convinced am that America has decided to make a stand, rightly or wrongly, against Iran here. It must be an attractive prospect. Israeli troops do the dying and they both get the political benefit. They are both engaged in wars in the region that they can't afford to loose, this isn't Vietnam they can't walk away from it, they have to win. Israel clearly feels less politically isolated than it did, they have more political support post 9/11 as the USA and to some extent the Uk and European countries feel that ideologically they are confronting a common enemy.

Hezbollah have killed a lot of people down the years. Even if they wouldn't admit it publicly the French certainly have a score to settle with 52 dead peacekeepers from a suicide bombing in Beruit.

What's also interesting is the silence of arab governments. There is a historic rivalry between arabs eg, Egyptians and Persians, ie the Iranians, many people in power in the arab world see this conflict as the devil fighting the devil and see an outcome in which Hezbollah loose and Israel gets a hiding in the process as the perfect outcome
 
pickles said:
Hezbollah have killed a lot of people down the years.
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I'm very interested in comparing this to our own experience of terrorism.

The IRA have killed a great many people over the years.

Would it be a good response to send the RAF over to bomb Dublin; the Royal Navy to blockade Irish fishing fleets, and the British Army to invade parts of Ireland? And for good measure blow up some power stations, roads and sewage works in the republic?

I have a feeling it would have strengthened anti-English feeling and swelled the ranks of the IRA and its supporters.
 
JohnD said:
pickles said:
Hezbollah have killed a lot of people down the years.
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I'm very interested in comparing this to our own experience of terrorism.

The IRA have killed a great many people over the years.

Would it be a good response to send the RAF over to bomb Dublin; the Royal Navy to blockade Irish fishing fleets, and the British Army to invade parts of Ireland? And for good measure blow up some power stations, roads and sewage works in the republic?

I have a feeling it would have strengthened anti-English feeling and swelled the ranks of the IRA and its supporters.
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Been done ;)
 
JohnD said:
pickles said:
Hezbollah have killed a lot of people down the years.
Click to expand...

I'm very interested in comparing this to our own experience of terrorism.

The IRA have killed a great many people over the years.

Would it be a good response to send the RAF over to bomb Dublin; the Royal Navy to blockade Irish fishing fleets, and the British Army to invade parts of Ireland? And for good measure blow up some power stations, roads and sewage works in the republic?

I have a feeling it would have strengthened anti-English feeling and swelled the ranks of the IRA and its supporters.
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The difference between Hezbollah and the IRA is that the IRA only wanted the british out of Ireland not England as well, if they had we would all still be fighting and the things you suggest would be appropriate to what would be a total war. Hezbollah want's Israel out of Israel, so there's not much room for negotiating, hence the endlees bombs and bullets.

I think that the Israeli view is that since there is no one to persuade or reason with militarily or politically all they have is military options and no reason to moralise about civilians who get in the way. They are engaged in a war of political and ethnic extermination more akin to the Russian war with Germany in the second world war than the conflict with the IRA.

There is no such thing as a civilian in the middle east.
 
your a bit of a fool bas posting dodgy photos

its one thing saying things its totally out of order showing it


grow up :rolleyes:
 
For those that missed it, now that its gone, BAS posted the front cover of today's Independent, entirely unedited, in the same form as it will have appeared across hundreds of breakfast tables, or as you may have seen someone reading it on the bus.

If you want to see this graphic adult-only imagery, you will have to go to WH Smiths or somewhere else adults-only....
 
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