My mum used to be a teacher ...

In my experience, large class sizes are not necessarily a problem.
Neither is it necessarily a problem due to social levels or class.
The real problem is children who have never been taught how to behave and who are supported by their similarly irresponsible parents.

can you tell me what year you imagine that did not happen?
 
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Don’t know how large class size breed problems ? In the 70’s when I was at Grammar school we had 42 in my first year at secondary school .Discipline was not a problem , everyone in the class got O levels .

Likewise here and we suffered lack of facilities, books and equipment on top.
 
Back then, schools could, a) beat you for bad behaviour; b) throw you out without blowback; c) (in grammar) select by ability. You make the fact that everybody got O'levels sound special/unusual.

Now, the attitude of kids is - you can't touch me, no matter what I do.
 
you can rely on older people to claim that in their day, children were well behaved, respectful to their elders, attentive at school and didn't steal sweets from woolworths or eat chips in the street.

older people have always said such things, and it has never been true.
 
"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers."


Or

"The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have
no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all
restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes
for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are
forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress."

"I mean such things as these: ? when the young are to
be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by
standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what
garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair;
deportment and manners in general. You would agree with me? ? Yes."

"What is happening to our young
people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They
ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"

"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint"
 
you can rely on older people to claim that in their day, children were well behaved, respectful to their elders, attentive at school and didn't steal sweets from woolworths or eat chips in the street.

older people have always said such things, and it has never been true.
Correct. Load of old fogey bowlacks.
 
Obviously the opinion ( bow lacks) from some one who has never worked in a state school;)
Lol. The missus is enjoying six weeks off as we speak. I get to hear stories about school kids that would make your hair curl. Some are brought up by grans or aunts because dads in prison and the mom committed suicide.

At the end of every term my missus gets 'goodies' from grateful sprogs who realised she had the patience and tenacity to sit for hours with them to help them and encourage them to get their grades. One girl that lives in a care home up the road from us, baked her a (fantastic) cheese cake and said some of the nicest things in a card. The same girl will not say hello to her or acknowledge her when out and about. The girls father is in prison and the mom is an alcoholic. She was even abused by the care home staff.

But no, I have never actually worked at the school but I visit there often and chat with her colleagues. I have had sprogs from schools work with me too. I go out and have drinks/food with teachers often. I have been asked to give a wee talk in school about the importance of math's in the building trade and how we use things like trig' etc.

I visited my own sprogs schools for every parents evening, sports events etc and missed only one.

Back to you childless (wifeless?) trans.
 
If anyone on the forum really does believe that behaviour in schools now is no different to behaviour in the 70s, then you really really have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Let's be honest about it, lots of kids are still 'dragged up not brought up' however it's yet another thing that's becoming increasingly hard to debate as you just get shut down as being an 'ist.'
Some children become a burden to their (non-parent) guardian. And not because of the child's behaviour or that they didn't make their bed or clean their room. It's because that child is not born of those entrusted for the welfare of the sprog. It's the bit missing from the puzzle and where abuse is allowed to fester and become rife, before the ruined child is discarded in the social services merry-go-round.

There are a few childless folk on here with opinions that raise an eyebrow or two, none of them I bet have ever been entrusted with the daily welfare of an abused sprog. A lot of problems with children can be sorted with a wee bit of attention from someone other than those that would like to have sex with them or beat them or abuse them.
 
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