My New House Incomer

[wcavanagh]

I totally agree, I would never go back form induction, it is amazing. Love how safe it is, and also the speed, control is great.

All my reasons to remove the Gas cooker

Cheers

I HATE gas with a passion. I know for hob it is the best.

A bit of a conflict there.....

Not really, I do not want gas, it's quite easy, everyone says gas is best for hob, but I would have induction any day over gas.

Anyway dont see what that matters, seems I need to get onto DNO and the sparks when I move in end of this month.

Cheers

We made the switch from gas to induction a couple of years ago and have never looked back. It seems superior to us as you have greater control, easy to clean, safer and can get a pan of water to boiling in less than a minute without flames up the side of the pan.

 

[JohnW2]

542.3.1 is quiet clear that the earthing conductor shall comply with Section 543 (543.1.3 has the adiabatic equation)
542.3.1. also says where you have PME your earthing conductor also needs to comply with 544.1.1 - hence the 10mm2.

Indeed. As I recently wrote, with PME, those two tegether prevent one using an adiabatic equation to size an earthing conductor smaller than the minimum MPB size as specified in 544.1.1.

If I may be allowed a mention of a pet 'niggle'. I get a little niggled every time I see someone refering to "the adiabatic equation", as if there were only one (BS7671 is not guilty of this). Many moons ago, I did a course on adiabatic processes, and it involved very many (different) equations! In a forum in which its been known for people to be ridiculed for calling a ring final circuit a 'final ring circuit', maybe I'm allowed to have that niggle

Kind Regards, John

 

[sparkiemike]

542.3.1 is quiet clear that the earthing conductor shall comply with Section 543 (543.1.3 has the adiabatic equation)
542.3.1. also says where you have PME your earthing conductor also needs to comply with 544.1.1 - hence the 10mm2.

Indeed. As I recently wrote, with PME, those two tegether prevent one using an adiabatic equation to size an earthing conductor smaller than the minimum MPB size as specified in 544.1.1.

However it does mean that you don't need to blindly accept 16mm2 for the earthing conductor as the minumum csa for PME systems.

If I may be allowed a mention of a pet 'niggle'. I get a little niggled every time I see someone refering to "the adiabatic equation" (BS7671 is not guilty of this). Many moons ago, I did a course on adiabatic processes, and it involved very many (different) equations! In a forum in which its been known for people to be ridiculed for calling a ring final circuit a 'final ring circuit', maybe I'm allowed to have that niggle

Kind Regards, John

Niggle all you want, here are a couple more for you

Light Bulbs
RJ45 plugs

 

[JohnW2]

However it does mean that you don't need to blindly accept 16mm2 for the earthing conductor as the minumum csa for PME systems.

Agreed.

Niggle all you want, here are a couple more for you
Light Bulbs ...

I'm not actually sure which way round you mean this one! I actually do get a bit niggled when I see people criticising mention of "light bulbs" - but it may well be that phrase (rather than criticism of it) that niggles you! Whatever, it's a bit different, since for several decades of my life, "light bulb" was the correct and universal term, until someone decided to change it. Ironically, by changing it to 'lamp', they have gone full circle - since my grandparents used to call them lamps, presumably as a left-over from the days of gas and oil lamps!

Kind Regards, John.

 

[sparkiemike]

I'm not actually sure which way round you mean this one! .

- humour.

Just I can't get too worked up about niggles, trying to run a business in the current econonmic climate I have more important "niggles" to deal with, but point taken...

 

[ban-all-sheds]

What is your problem? You seem to like to push crap on here and wind people up and argue, this point is completely pointless.

Just because it conflicts with what you believe, that doesn't make it crap.

Maybe it's the other way round.

I was just struggling to understand how you can know that gas is the best thing for a hob and yet hate it with a passion and would never have it.

Seems to me that something you would never have and hate with a passion couldn't possibly be the best in your estimation.

 

[wcavanagh]

What is your problem? You seem to like to push crap on here and wind people up and argue, this point is completely pointless.

Just because it conflicts with what you believe, that doesn't make it crap.

Maybe it's the other way round.

I was just struggling to understand how you can know that gas is the best thing for a hob and yet hate it with a passion and would never have it.

Seems to me that something you would never have and hate with a passion couldn't possibly be the best in your estimation.

You are a strange chap, lol.

I would take out a gas cooker, that is perfectly good, and working, to replace it with a induction cooker that I love to use, feel it is safer, cleaner, and looks much better in my modern kitchen. Simple. I don't see how what I choose should really bother you. The original question was about uprating the install at the moment to fit that, surely it doesn't matter my reasons, maybe I have an induction fettish and want to fit 3 of them for sexual pleasure.... who knows.

You seem to enjoy trying to wind people up on here, maybe you are just one of them type of people you only see on forums and that is there only life.

Either way, enjoy your gas cooker, and be happy that you have what YOU want.

I wish you many happy gas cooked meals.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

feel it is safer, cleaner, and looks much better in my modern kitchen.

Again, seriously at odds with you saying that you know gas is best.

I don't see how what I choose should really bother you.

It doesn't.

It's your contradictory statements that have me puzzled.

 

[wcavanagh]

feel it is safer, cleaner, and looks much better in my modern kitchen.

Again, seriously at odds with you saying that you know gas is best.

I don't see how what I choose should really bother you.

It doesn't.

It's your contradictory statements that have me puzzled.

You speak to any chef they all say gas is best, fair play, i also have cooked on gas is yes it prob is, but there is this great thing in life, freedom of choice

It is good to be puzzled, wouldn't life be boring if everyone agreed and just did not puzzle anyone else.