naseem in jail was it the correct verdict

[Steve]

crafty, from my own experience of a no fault accident that has left me disabled, the injured party never gets anywhere near what they would have earned had they been able.

If I was still able to do the job that I am qualified for (or indeed any full time job at all!!!!) I would sincerely hope to have earned well in excess of my 'payout'. Instead, as well as a major lifestyle change we've also had a major change in income & as my hubby has said time and time again to me - no amount of money that they could have given me would ever give me back my life that I had before the 'accident'.

That's the difference as well - how can Naseem's accident be classed as an accident? Surely an accident is when something happens that is outside of anyones control? When you consider the factors here - him driving on wrong side of road and also at a ridiculous speed it can hardly be construed as an 'accident' can it? Just my take on it!

I see your point, but given that nobody intended it to happen, it is an accident. And that fact that the compensation is "not enough" to make up for the loss of earnings, is surely all the more reason to put the offending party away in prison and punish them all the more, if only to make yourself feel better.

 

[Brightness]

I wouldn't want someone to be jailed to 'make me feel better' but I agree that the judge was right to have jailed Nas.

It's the seriousness of the offence that bothers me - that guy he hit will probably never work again and his life as he knew it has probably been effectively removed.

Thing is, as has been said before, because some people have money or are celebrities they think they are above the law

 

[hermes]

I see your point, but given that nobody intended it to happen, it is an accident.

You can label it as you wish but driving so far over the speed limit on the wrong side of the road when you can't see what's coming should result in a prison sentence whether or not you hit someone.

put the offending party away in prison and punish them all the more, if only to make yourself feel better.

He is in prison to act as a deterrent to others who may be inclined to drive dangerously. That's what prison is for, not for revenge.

 

[Brightness]

Here, here Hermes. I still don't understand what planet most judges are on when they sentence people heavily for tax evasion and the like and let people off with light sentences or fines for killing or maiming someone

 

[hermes]

Money makes it's own rules.

 

[Steve]

put the offending party away in prison and punish them all the more, if only to make yourself feel better.

He is in prison to act as a deterrent to others who may be inclined to drive dangerously. That's what prison is for, not for revenge.

that as well, of course. i was tired last night. again.

 

[paulbrown]

ellal,

You have issues which are more to do with wealth than anything else. In a word you are jealous.

So tell me, how did you come to that pathetic conclusion?..You really shouldn't be reading the 'ladybird book of amateur psychology' anymore..!

I'll put it really simple for you..He broke the law, nearly killed someone, and wealth or a lack of it should not affect the sentence..

If I was to make an idiotic conclusion like you have, then could I assume that you think wealth should carry priviliges? (because after all, it was you that posted..I also don't see the point in jailing very wealthy people for what is essentially stupidity)..Maybe you only want 'poor people' to be jailed for stupidity?

But, I won't jump to those conclusions - I'll let your posts speak for themselves!!

Why are you so agressive and condescending? I have only given MY opinion as to why I see it as a waste if time putting this man in prison.

So tell me, how did you come to that pathetic conclusion?..

I'll put it really simple for you

If I was to make an idiotic conclusion like you have

You seem to have a low opinion of my intelligence.

So could you kindly use your superior intellect and explain how you nearly kill someone?

 

[paulbrown]

ellal,

You have issues which are more to do with wealth than anything else. In a word you are jealous.

They showed a police re-enactment of this accident last night on TV. There was no queueing traffic, as you said and the surroundings were fields full of sheep . The other car could not be seen because it was in a blindspot caused by a dip in the road. Yes he overtook on an unbroken line, yes he was speeding and yes he was stupid. But I still don't think he should have gone down for it, taking money from people is still a punishment, they are usually called fines. Putting money in public coffers is preferrable to wasting it on prison sentences that do no good.

Would you like to see this as a non-jailable offence then ,no matter what you're back ground or financial circumstances

I haven't said that, every case is currently judged on its own merits and I would prefer it stay that way.

I wasn't calling for one law for the rich and one for the poor. I just see it as a waste of time putting him in prison and believe a very hefty fine would be preferable.

 

[ellal]

Why are you so agressive and condescending? I have only given MY opinion as to why I see it as a waste if time putting this man in prison.

Aggressive?...condescending?..

I think you'll find that you have made an accusation based on absolutely no sense whatsoever (saying I'm jealous of wealth.. ) , and I have merely pointed out the error of your 'conclusions'..

If you wish to call that aggressive, then you really do have a problem of comprehension..

So could you kindly use your superior intellect and explain how you nearly kill someone?

Hmm..would this do?

Virtually every major bone in Mr Burgin’s body was broken, with fractures to his back, both legs, both arms and his ribs, and bruising and swelling to his brain, Sheffield Crown Court heard.

Mr Burgin was in intensive care for nearly four weeks. The Recorder of Sheffield, Judge Alan Goldsack, told Hamed his actions had left Mr Burgin “grievously injured”.

He said: “He has spent the last year either in hospital or having other treatment for injuries. Numerous bones were broken. He has had endless operations. His sight is affected.

Unless of course, a months intensive care doesn't mean a life threatening condition in your world!..

It's sad that you think that someone should get a financial 'slap on the wrist' for..and I'll repeat it - nearly killing someone, then I'm glad in this instance there was a judge who understood the seriousness of the offence!!

 

[ellal]

I haven't said that, every case is currently judged on its own merits and I would prefer it stay that way.

I wasn't calling for one law for the rich and one for the poor. I just see it as a waste of time putting him in prison and believe a very hefty fine would be preferable.

Just wondering how you equate that post with your earlier one...

I also don't see the point in jailing very wealthy people for what is essentially stupidity

you see, 'people' is not the same as 'person'!.. so were you referring to only nassem as you seem to say now, or 'wealthy people in general' as you were in that quote?

A bit of consistency required I think...

 

[paulbrown]

Why are you so agressive and condescending? I have only given MY opinion as to why I see it as a waste if time putting this man in prison.

Aggressive?...condescending?..

I think you'll find that you have made an accusation based on absolutely no sense whatsoever (saying I'm jealous of wealth.. ) , and I have merely pointed out the error of your 'conclusions'..

If you wish to call that aggressive, then you really do have a problem of comprehension..

So could you kindly use your superior intellect and explain how you nearly kill someone?

Hmm..would this do?

Virtually every major bone in Mr Burgin’s body was broken, with fractures to his back, both legs, both arms and his ribs, and bruising and swelling to his brain, Sheffield Crown Court heard.

Mr Burgin was in intensive care for nearly four weeks. The Recorder of Sheffield, Judge Alan Goldsack, told Hamed his actions had left Mr Burgin “grievously injured”.

He said: “He has spent the last year either in hospital or having other treatment for injuries. Numerous bones were broken. He has had endless operations. His sight is affected.

Unless of course, a months intensive care doesn't mean a life threatening condition in your world!..

It's sad that you think that someone should get a financial 'slap on the wrist' for..and I'll repeat it - nearly killing someone, then I'm glad in this instance there was a judge who understood the seriousness of the offence!!

Where did I mention a slap on the wrist? you make it sound as if I am suggesting he should walk away virtually scot free, which was not the case at all. This is what I said.

As regards the sentence, I would prefer too see him fined his best nine months earnings instead and share the money between the NHS and the victim.

I would guess his best nine months earnings would be a lot more than a slap on the wrist. It would probably be millions! Do you not see that as a punishment? What is wrong with the victim getting half the fine for his pain and suffering? He will end up arguing with the insurance companies for years and would probably prefer the money than seeing this silly man in jail.

My comment about "nearly killing" remains.

You cannot nearly kill anything, it either lives or dies.

 

[paulbrown]

I haven't said that, every case is currently judged on its own merits and I would prefer it stay that way.

I wasn't calling for one law for the rich and one for the poor. I just see it as a waste of time putting him in prison and believe a very hefty fine would be preferable.

Just wondering how you equate that post with your earlier one...

I also don't see the point in jailing very wealthy people for what is essentially stupidity

you see, 'people' is not the same as 'person'!.. so were you referring to only nassem as you seem to say now, or 'wealthy people in general' as you were in that quote?

A bit of consistency required I think...

You are wrong and furthermore you are argumentative too. I have only voiced my opinion, which differs from yours. The difference being I have respected yours without slagging you off.

'people' is not the same as 'person'

In saying wealthy people I am referring to him in the singular and not wealthy people as a whole. I would of thought it was obvious really.

 

[hermes]

You cannot nearly kill anything, it either lives or dies.

Don't normally get involved in pedantic semantics but that is rubbish. It's nearly the same as saying "You nearly had my eye out!" or "Are we nearly there yet?" or " I nearly won the lottery last week." All are permissible as nearly means almost, but not quite so if someone can be almost but not quite dead, then someone else can almost but not quite have killed him.

 

[plastered]

....pedantic semantics ...

beautiful.

 

[ellal]

You are wrong and furthermore you are argumentative too. I have only voiced my opinion, which differs from yours. The difference being I have respected yours without slagging you off.

'people' is not the same as 'person'

In saying wealthy people I am referring to him in the singular and not wealthy people as a whole. I would of thought it was obvious really.

That's cleared that up then - put a point of view different to yours, and it's argumentative and wrong - you of course are neither!..

I also think that in the context of that statement it was NOT clear whether it was general or specific...

care to post a clarified response to that - in a non-argumentative way of course..

Without slagging off?

YOU WROTE: You have issues which are more to do with wealth than anything else. In a word you are jealous.

Don't normally get involved in pedantic semantics but that is rubbish. It's nearly the same as saying "You nearly had my eye out!" or "Are we nearly there yet?" or " I nearly won the lottery last week." All are permissible as nearly means almost, but not quite so if someone can be almost but not quite dead, then someone else can almost but not quite have killed him.

Exactly!!

But back to the topic..

I would guess his best nine months earnings would be a lot more than a slap on the wrist. It would probably be millions! Do you not see that as a punishment? What is wrong with the victim getting half the fine for his pain and suffering? He will end up arguing with the insurance companies for years and would probably prefer the money than seeing this silly man in jail.

Lets hear from the victims shall we..?

"They hope this sentence will help other people realise the dangers inherent in speeding," their lawyer, Jane Wright, said. "This is not a case about celebrity. It is about extremely powerful motor cars being driven dangerously."

Fines ARE a punishment, but not as bad as losing your freedom - if someone on the dole did this, what would you suggest as a punishment then? If you state that 'wealthy people shouldn't be jailed', then what about 'poor people'?..

If you go to court, and the offence merits a jail term, then income should have NO bearing on the sentence..

It's simple really - the principle of 'everyone equal in the eyes of the law' should be held to as closely as possible!

simple really - it's called the principle of