Next generation speed, red light etc cameras

[Roy Bloom]

you don’t think it’s predictable that if you lower the speed limit, install a new high tech speed camera, nick 12,000 people in a few months.. There is a chance that one or two might be upset?

Can you provide some proof of your claims about lowering the speed limit, the placement of the cameras, and the number of people penalised?
Or was it a wild claim?

But nosenout doesn’t have to worry the ones in staffs are all working fine. The real criminals will of course carry on driving disposables without insurance immune from prosecution. Seems to be a major problem in the West Midlands.

Are you implying that some forum members are driving illegal vehicles? Assumng you have never even encountered Noseall in real life, that would be a new low even for you.

 

[motorbiking]

Q1. Yes - there is a local news article and interview with the councillor who campaigned to lower the limit and get the camera installed.
Q2. No. Unlikely I’ve met him. MIB report shows a massive problem with uninsured and unregistered vehicles in West Midlands.

Do you need help with googling them?

A1:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...fears-vandals-copying-ULEZ-blade-runners.html

Cllr Tisdale added that it took 'years and years of campaigning' to get both a 30mph speed limit in the village and then a camera installed....The speed camera, which has the ability to monitor drivers in both directions, caught almost 700 speeding motorists in its first full week of operation when it was installed in February last year.

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Q2: https://www.independent.co.uk/money/uninsured-driver-hotspots-map-uk-england-b2450357.html

 

[noseall]

But nosenout doesn’t have to worry

I discovered kn my teens that speeding was optional. Didn't anyone tell you?

Party of law and order my arse.

 

[noseall]

Are you implying

He might be referring to my rather smug proclamation of never having received a speeding ticket (yet).
Some of that is down to luck, some of it is down to a lot of local miles and knowing where the cameras are, but mostly down to driving around the speed limit.

 

[motorbiking]

Driving unfamiliar roads is where most people get pinged. but as I have said, in other threads, I don't drive particularly fast. That doesn't mean I can't empathise with people who get nicked for speeding when there was nothing particularly wrong with the speed they chose for the conditions, particularly, if the speed limit is new and doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Brigadier]

 

[crystal ball]

Driving unfamiliar roads is where most people get pinged. but as I have said, in other threads, I don't drive particularly fast. That doesn't mean I can't empathise with people who get nicked for speeding when there was nothing particularly wrong with the speed they chose for the conditions, particularly, if the speed limit is new and doesn't make a lot of sense.

So we can set our own speed limits

 

[motorbiking]

Speed limits should be set according to the speed that the majority of safe, careful drivers would choose in the absence of any dynamic hazard. ~That is usually around the 85th percentile of vehicle traffic.

if a village or town has a problem with traffic volume - lowering speed limits shouldn't be the answer.

We either have speed limits with safety in mind and therefore serious consequences for those who break them or we treat them like parking fines for people who stayed 5 mins too long.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Q1. Yes - there is a local news article and interview with the councillor who campaigned to lower the limit and get the camera installed.

Thanks for that.
But there's a couple of discrepancies with that article and your report.
Firstly, you calimed that 1200 people had already received penalties, there's no evidence of that in the articles. In fact the one article refers to 700 people being penalised for speeding.
Secondly, you claim the installation coincided with a change in the speed limit. There's no evidence of that in the articles.

But let's assume your mistakes were not intentional misrepresentations, for now.
The one camera that was pictured destroyed was obvioulsy installed in response to multiple speeders in that area (the 700 penalised drivers is sufficient evidence to prove that). In addition there had been several previous accidents, including two previous accidents involving children at that spot.
So your argument that they are installed as a cash cow is demonstrably refuted.

Now,let's look at your second part of yoiur recent post:

But nosenout doesn’t have to worry the ones in staffs are all working fine. The real criminals will of course carry on driving disposables without insurance immune from prosecution. Seems to be a major problem in the West Midlands.

Q2. No. Unlikely I’ve met him. MIB report shows a massive problem with uninsured and unregistered vehicles in West Midlands.

Your intentional use of referring to Noseall and uninsured drivers, with disposable vehicles, is a clear attempt to connect the former with the latter, in the eye of the reader.
Furthermore, the massive problem with uninsured drivers and disposable vehicles is not restricted to the West Midlands, not by a long way.
The MIB report clearly shows that the table is topped by London, with Leeds, Bristol, Salford and Manchester, with Birmingham coming at 6th place. In addition, West Midlands is not awarded a figure, and Staffordshire (where Noseall lists as his area of habit) doesn't appear at all in that article.
So yet again there's been a clear attempt by you to incorrectly connect one issue with another forum member, when in reality there's obvioulsy no possible geographical connection, nor any produced evidence for you to make any connection.

 

[motorbiking]

700 in first week 12000 in a year. you're welcome
Limit change is quoted see quote - it's also in all the traffic management consultations on their rather dull and boring parish web page. http://www.mabeparish.com/community/mabe-parish-15500/road-scheme/
you will see notes in the plan "take down NSL signs and replace with 30mph signs". So speed limit cut from 60mph to 30mph and a camera installed netting 700 fines in the first week - no wonder people were p*** you're welcome
MIB shows West Midlands not London is the hot spot. you're welcome
Here is the MIB's list of 15 worst areas for uninsured drivers:

1. Leeds, LS1
2. Bristol, BS1
3. Salford, M3
4. Manchester, M8
5. Birmingham, B10
6. Birmingham, B18
7. Birmingham, B6
8. Stoke-on-Trent, ST1
9. Manchester, M12
10. Thurrock, Essex, RM18
11. Sandwell, West Midlands, B70
12. Southend-on-Sea, Essex, SS1
13. Birmingham, B11
14. Bradford, BD4
15. Iver, Buckinghamshire, SL0

and this isn't adjusted for population (as far as I can tell). So it's quite shocking that there are more uninsured in leed (an area with 1/10th the population of London). Only 3 out of 15 aren't in the NW and West Midlands.

. https://www.mib.org.uk/media-centre...ice-launch-week-of-action-to-keep-roads-safe/

So yet again there's been a clear attempt by you to incorrectly connect one issue with another forum member, when in reality there's obvioulsy no possible geographical connection, nor any produced evidence for you to make any connection.

more boll@x from you then.

 

[gant]

[QUOTE="Roy Bloom, post: 5600721, member: 309


Your intentional use of referring to Noseall and uninsured drivers, with disposable vehicles, is a clear attempt to connect the former with the latter, in the eye of the reader

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Absolute rubbish and deserves an apology which of course won't be forthcoming.

 

[motorbiking]

Roy's post led me to take a look at that Cornish road in more detail:

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If I received a NIP for exceeding the 30mph limit on that road, I'd be back with a measure to check the spacing of the street lights. Depending on the exact point the speed limit is enforced, there maybe an argument that the restricted road limit is unenforceable due to the spacing of the street lights. It's common for councils to forget the requirement for street lights when dropping a road from NSL or 40mph to restricted status.

They must be no further than 183m apart and the outgoing traffic clearly has a whole section without lighting.

 

[crystal ball]

Speed limits should be set according to the speed that the majority of safe, careful drivers would choose in the absence of any dynamic hazard. ~That is usually around the 85th percentile of vehicle traffic.

if a village or town has a problem with traffic volume - lowering speed limits shouldn't be the answer.

We either have speed limits with safety in mind and therefore serious consequences for those who break them or we treat them like parking fines for people who stayed 5 mins too long.

If I thought it was ok to drive down a suburban street at 50mph that would be quite legal in your world?

 

[motorbiking]

How did you conclude that from what I wrote?

 

[mitch66]

How did you conclude that from what I wrote?

They didn't. Just cocked up their trolling.