Nightingale Hospital has turned away more patients than it has treated

[Notch7]

Who is more costly on the nhs?
Foreigners who havent paid a penny in tax or brits who have paid tax all their lives?

foreigners make a positive tax contribution to the UK

In fact many are highly qualified and earn a great deal
even the unskilled workers contribute -because they are mostly healthy young people.
did you not know that immigration helps swing the ratio of working age to retirement age in this country?

 

[Notch7]

Have you?

foreigners dont cost the NHS much

in fact overall they make a positive tax contribution
all those Eastern Europeans that came over via freedom of movement benefited this countries economy -so a big positive for EU membership
But we know fillyboy prefers the North Korean model

 

[JohnD]

Ryler, filly and Andy know all that. But when they're swigging together with like-minded individuals at the Horst Wessel Arms, their buddies clap them on the back, and say "well said, comrade! Them pesky immigrants is the source of all our problems! We should round they all up and dispose of them!"

They love the idea that someone else is to blame for all their misfortunes, especially the ones they have brought upon themselves. Perhaps they even voted for governments that cut public spending on healthcare and police, while slipping tax cuts and loopholes to the rich.

They're annoyed because they don't like to be contradicted.

 

[ajohn]

even the unskilled workers contribute -because they are mostly healthy young people.

The unfortunate fact is that they are more inclined to work as well. Augmented by the fact that in many areas companies tend to loose interest in people over 40 and even more so as they get older. Part of the reason for that is people become more set in their ways.

 

[ajohn]

There is a lot of easily accessible info regards Britain's ageing population and their reliance upon the NHS. Its not a hidden secret. Even the NHS hating Tory government will verify it.

That isn't as straight forwards as it sounds. The age group being treated in hospital is one aspect and the other one is those in geriatric wards / sections of hospitals. Costs looked at that way are highly likely to give an entirely different perspective to the treatment costs of an ageing population. This page discusses numbers.

https://digital.nhs.uk/news-and-eve...admissions-hit-record-high-as-population-ages

So called babyboomers are from when family numbers hit a high. This in some ways relates to the establishment of the NHS etc. Go back a generation and more children didn't make it to adulthood and families were often much larger due to even lower survival rates earlier and people didn't live as long anyway. It could be seen as a post war boom in all sorts of areas including employment. Rationing was still about when I was born. It ended in 1954. So I'm not really a babyboomer.

A&E Attendances probably relate to getting a GP quickly becoming difficult. Ours kept up evening and night visits a lot longer than many. Later it shifted to a practice some where being open which means people had to go there. In fact getting a quick appointment at our GP's now is difficult so even more will be more inclined to go to A&E.

 

[ajohn]

The sick aspect of this is these baby boomers have spent a lot of their working life paying for other people health and pensions etc.

 

[JohnD]

Some will say they have also voted for the low taxes and the associated low public spending which has resulted in our underfunded public services.

Some will say they had the advantages of free higher education and maintenance grants; and relatively affordable housing; and have left the nation with public debt that the younger generations will have to pay for. Did David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson leave university with large student loans?

Where has the money gone to, that came from North Sea Oil, and privatisation of national assets? Where has the social housing gone to, that councils were forced to sell off below cost?

Who has the responsibility of paying to make up the shortfalls in looted pension schemes? And who will be the beneficiaries?

 

[IT Minion]

The sick aspect of this is these baby boomers have spent a lot of their working life paying for other people health and pensions etc.

Not so much. Baby boomers paid for their parents pensions and health costs. Which was lower. Any surplus was not saved for a rainy day because that's not how these things work. (Privately held pensions are slightly different)

Now they're old then the economically active members of the country are paying for their pensions and health care which is more ambitious than they paid for, and also is being paid for more people.

The average baby boomer did quite well on an economic basis.

 

[Mottie]

in fact overall they make a positive tax contribution

A fact, you say? That’s good. Where did you get that information from?

 

[ajohn]

Privately held pensions are slightly different

A proportion of them have a private pension anyway and go back further and many did because of company pensions. A true baby boomer may have not managed to complete a full company pension.

Rot job wise started around the time Mrs T was elected in 1979 not precisely then some before and ever increasingly more after. Much the same mostly happened everywhere including in the USA around the same period.

 

[ajohn]

The average baby boomer did quite well on an economic basis

A lot less to spend it on for a lot of their life and also house prices set at a level more to suite one main earner. I'd say in some ways the generation before them did best. The war generation more or less. Oldest I know of, an uncle is now 92 and many would be older if still alive. Lots of parental type companies and businesses. A lot of people that worked for those were retired early in there 50's. Some too early so penalties limited pensions. My uncle survived that and retired at 60 so a full pension. In some areas people were retired with no penalties at all or even had them made up.

Personally I suspect this lot caused average life span to increase. I have a feeling it will go down again now.

 

[Notch7]

A fact, you say? That’s good. Where did you get that information from?

from a factual source

 

[Mottie]

from a factual source

Of course you did Malcolm. Now, Jim jams on and off to bed.

 

[IT Minion]

A fact, you say? That’s good. Where did you get that information from?

Since you asked so nicely. Here's a source that seems to be reviewing the various studies on it.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....s/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

Of course since it's a detailed and scientific review of the data it's of **** all use on this board and will now be ignored.

 

[Mottie]

Since you asked so nicely. Here's a source that seems to be reviewing the various studies on it.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....s/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

Of course since it's a detailed and scientific review of the data it's of **** all use on this board and will now be ignored.

Thanks. Now if @Notch7 can just point out the relevant section that backs up his claim or can point me to the data he used to make his claim I’ll believe it. Until then, I’ll just have to take his statement with a pinch of salt and politely remind him of his non-reply in the future whenever he demands links, facts or proof to back up claims made by others.