No confidence vote against TM as party leader

[ban-all-sheds]

Perhaps you would try to explain what you think it means.

Do you think it means that Civil Servants should be elected? Brextremists often have trouble with that.

Do you think it means that the "Second Chamber" (whether you call it a Senate or a Council or a House of Lords) should be fully elected?

Do you think it means the Head of Government should be elected?

Do you think it means the Head of State should be elected?

May I add:

Do you think it means that judges should be elected?

Do you think it means that Central Bankers should be elected?

Frankly, I don't think you will be able to coherently explain your opinion on those questions.

Nobody could - his opinions are inherently incoherent.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If the EU is so democratic why are they putting up so many roadblocks to subvert the democratically expressed wish of the UK to leave the EU.
Brexit would be a straightforward matter if the EU was really a democratic institution.
Instead of using the manufactured problem of the Irish backstop to demoralise leave voters they could agree to some sort of tarrif free agreement for both sides.
The truth is the EU don't want the UK to leave the EU and they will use every dirty trick in the book to prevent it, including colluding with remainers to Brainwash the public with anti brexit propaganda.

 

[vinty]

"How many unelected Bishops (as an example of unelected persons) are there in a UK government?" would be a better question.

In fact, an even better question would be "how many unelected persons are there in a UK government?"
The answer being "about 800 in the House of Lords alone".
Then don't forget the judicial arm of the UK government.
Then don't forget the civil service function in UK government.
Then don't forget the Royalty.

I suspect the true answer to the question "how many unelected persons are there in the UK government?" might be a number beyond your comprehension, based on your ability to count numerous and arrive at zero.
One excellent example was presented in one of the links I provided. Clearly you haven't read it, or refused to recognise the direct comparison:
"The most powerful EU figure by far, is the President of the EU Commission (the EU’s Civil Service), who is nominated by the European Council."
Malcolm Turner

Another of Malcolm's example:
"a prime minister who was only elected by Tories in Maidenhead, a town which also voted to remain in the EU?”
How undemocratic is that!

Another of Malcolm's comments:
"Britain is 14th out of only 19 considered to be full democracies."
View attachment 154690
http://www.eiu.com/Handlers/Whitepa...017.pdf&mode=wp&campaignid=DemocracyIndex2017

You may notice that apart from 3 other non-EU countries, the top 15 is dominated by EU/EFTA countries.
In fact of the 19 full democracies, only 5 are not EU/EFTA countries.
Therefore, it is safe to say that EU alignment or close association encourages full democracy.

But if you wish to persist in your ridiculous stance that having unelected people in government reduces the democratic legitimacy of that government, then in your opinion there are no democratic governments. Your apparent argument that unless the government is "government by referendum" then democracy is not possible to achieve, is nonsense.
Perhaps you need to remind yourself what constitutes a full democracy:
"What else does a well-functioning democracy need? A free and independent media, independent courts, limits to officials' discretion and regular electoral processes are all essential to a robust democracy." https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/government-by-referendums-is-not-democracy/article30798029/
Do you see anything in there that suggests a full democracy should not have unelected people?

How many well functioning democracies are there in Europe today, riots in France because of inequality, Germany overrun with migrants, terrorism and rampant corruption in the rest of Europe.
The EU has nothing to be proud of.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It is disingenuous to say "We should leave the EU because of {insert complaint here}" when that complaint also applies to the UK. Because if it does you should leave the UK if you truly believe that the complaint is a valid reason for not being a member.

 

[vinty]

"How many unelected Bishops (as an example of unelected persons) are there in a UK government?" would be a better question.

In fact, an even better question would be "how many unelected persons are there in a UK government?"
The answer being "about 800 in the House of Lords alone".
Then don't forget the judicial arm of the UK government.
Then don't forget the civil service function in UK government.
Then don't forget the Royalty.

I suspect the true answer to the question "how many unelected persons are there in the UK government?" might be a number beyond your comprehension, based on your ability to count numerous and arrive at zero.
One excellent example was presented in one of the links I provided. Clearly you haven't read it, or refused to recognise the direct comparison:
"The most powerful EU figure by far, is the President of the EU Commission (the EU’s Civil Service), who is nominated by the European Council."
Malcolm Turner

Another of Malcolm's example:
"a prime minister who was only elected by Tories in Maidenhead, a town which also voted to remain in the EU?”
How undemocratic is that!

Another of Malcolm's comments:
"Britain is 14th out of only 19 considered to be full democracies."
View attachment 154690
http://www.eiu.com/Handlers/Whitepa...017.pdf&mode=wp&campaignid=DemocracyIndex2017

You may notice that apart from 3 other non-EU countries, the top 15 is dominated by EU/EFTA countries.
In fact of the 19 full democracies, only 5 are not EU/EFTA countries.
Therefore, it is safe to say that EU alignment or close association encourages full democracy.

But if you wish to persist in your ridiculous stance that having unelected people in government reduces the democratic legitimacy of that government, then in your opinion there are no democratic governments. Your apparent argument that unless the government is "government by referendum" then democracy is not possible to achieve, is nonsense.
Perhaps you need to remind yourself what constitutes a full democracy:
"What else does a well-functioning democracy need? A free and independent media, independent courts, limits to officials' discretion and regular electoral processes are all essential to a robust democracy." https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/government-by-referendums-is-not-democracy/article30798029/
Do you see anything in there that suggests a full democracy should not have unelected people?

I notice that the top countries for democracy are all Northern white protestant or have political systems which were created by the British.

 

[durhamplumber]

It is disingenuous to say "We should leave the EU because of {insert complaint here}" when that complaint also applies to the UK. Because if it does you should leave the UK if you truly believe that the complaint is a valid reason for not being a member.

Eh?.....so lets get England out of the UK because of Romanian immigrants?? Yeah,,right on bro.The UK is not over run with Taffies living in London Parks.

 

[ellal]

I notice that the top countries for democracy are all Northern white protestant or have political systems which were created by the British.

No, they are mainly scandinavian countries based on a PR electoral system and with a better social model...

Nothing to do with anything 'created by the British'

 

[durhamplumber]

No, they are mainly scandinavian countries based on a PR electoral system and with a better social model...

Nothing to do with anything 'created by the British'

Are you black?... anti brit? Or both.That would explain your dodgy name.

 

[Bodd]

That's cool how do you do that

 

[durhamplumber]

That's cool how do you do that

Spend 24/7 on here for 10years,and have no other life.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

 

[Bodd]

Spend 24/7 on here for 10years,and have no other life.

https://goo.gl/images/We9asP

This is his armchair

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Spend 24/7 on here for 10years,and have no other life.

No, a normal level of intelligence is all you need.

 

[vinty]

No, they are mainly scandinavian countries based on a PR electoral system and with a better social model...

Nothing to do with anything 'created by the British'

Scandinavian countries are mostly white and non Catholic and non Muslim are they not.
Would these countries be counties they are if their majority populations were Muslim or Catholic.

 

[vinty]

No, a normal level of intelligence is all you need.