NoBed

[noseall]

Beggars cannot be choosers.

There are good hand-me-downs and there is tat. A lot of give-away stuff is only fit for the skip, i.e. flat-pack, dowelled together chipboard and melamine. That sort of gear does not lend itself well to being shipped about, especially if it has been much used. Same with folk that think re-using a cheap fitted kitchen is a good idea.

 

[Koolpc]

An interview on national BBC News, with people complaining they couldn't afford beds, on the money the state was paying them, sleeping in one room, because they couldn't afford to heat more than one room - Pathetic I call it, and it's not even cold yet. I haven't had the heating fire up yet, since the summer.

When I were a lad, we only had heating available in one room anyway, winters were much, much colder, homes much less well insulated. When it was cold, we got ice form on the inside of the windows, take a drink up to bed, and the drink would be frozen solid by next morning. Beds were generally hand me down's, if they broke you fixed them. If you were cold in bed, you piled more clothes on.. What is wrong with people today, that they just expect evryone else to sort out their problems and pay for them?

They probably got full sky, iphones, escooters, drunk every night etc etc
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[Vinty]

Ah, the good old days.

You had a room, ee by gum , if we had a roof we were lucky......

Credited it for you.

 

[Vinty]

An interview on national BBC News, with people complaining they couldn't afford beds, on the money the state was paying them, sleeping in one room, because they couldn't afford to heat more than one room - Pathetic I call it, and it's not even cold yet. I haven't had the heating fire up yet, since the summer.

When I were a lad, we only had heating available in one room anyway, winters were much, much colder, homes much less well insulated. When it was cold, we got ice form on the inside of the windows, take a drink up to bed, and the drink would be frozen solid by next morning. Beds were generally hand me down's, if they broke you fixed them. If you were cold in bed, you piled more clothes on.. What is wrong with people today, that they just expect evryone else to sort out their problems and pay for them?

Yeah , Rickets and TB.
Life just isn't the same.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Irregular migration to the UK, year ending March 2023

www.gov.uk

Thanks for that, but a) The report presented by you does not contain the data that you think it does. It's necessary to download an Excel spreadsheet and search for the required data, and to try to crossreference with other data. It still does not hold the relevant data.
b) it's normal to identify and present the specific information asked for, rather than leave the other person having to search through a mulitple page report and downloading additional speadsheets to find the data.
But that's your normal MO, expecting others to find the information or data you claim, with comments like "read the report", "read the judgement", "look up the law", "look up the Act", etc.

I've highlighted in red the nearest relevant recent data. It can be found in the downloaded report, the link for the download is in the report presented by motorbiking, and it's on the fifth spreadsheet called "Irr_D01"

It still does not hold the required data, because, and I remind you we were discussing the available legal routes, and I suggested that they only apply for specific nationalities and for limited periods,, and I referred to Ukranians and Hong Kongers as typical examples.

But to l;ook at the nearest relevant data about people arriving via safe routes.

One of the more obvious aspects of this data is the low numbers of people arriving via the safe legal routes compared to the unsafe and hazardous boat arrivals.
The first two quarters of 2023, there were just 3,413 arrivals by these safe routes compared to 14,846 boat arrivals.
Of course we don't know the succes rate of these two methods of arrivals. But we do have historical success rates for comparison.

From another source, (see below) not contained in the report you presented, we can see that the percentage success rate for people via these safe and legal routes is a really very low success rate.
You will, I assume recall that the normal percentage success rate for irregular arrivals is about 86%.
Whereas the success rate for the regular legal routes is just 8.5%.
Is it any wonder that the safe and legal routes are dismissed for asylum seekers and the irregular, unsafe, hazardous crossings are preferred.
This Tory government has the power to change this, but they steadfastly refuse to do so.

How many people use those routes?​

There are significantly more applications for asylum than the number of people who come to the UK through organised refugee resettlement schemes or as close family members of recognised refugees.

According to Home Office quarterly immigration statistics, between September 2021 and September 2022:

• 1,391 people came through a refugee resettlement scheme.
• 4,786 people came through refugee family reunion rules.
• 72,027 asylum applications were submitted.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9630/#:~:text=According%20to%20Home%20Office%20quarterly,72%2C027%20asylum%20applications%20were%20submitted.

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[securespark]

I have been to thousands of homes in my career and have often seen situations that bring me to tears.

The one thing that really upsets me is that the occupants don't have a bed or mattress or clean bedclothes or even bedclothes at all.

I have seen the adults in the house give over their beds for the kids and they sleep on the floor or sofa.

When I was around 4/5/6, I lived in the Smoke with my Gran and Grandad. Every Sunday, Gran would change my bedding and I would "help". And every Sunday night was bath night.
I remember with such clarity the pure luxury of getting into a clean bed, having just had a bath.
Over half a century later I cannot get into a freshly-made bed without having had a shower first.

It's such a basic right of life - to have a clean comfortable place to sleep, with a bed, mattress and bedclothes.

I have worked hard in my life. I am not in good health now and am not particularly well-off.

But everything is relative and over the years, I have bought new quilts and pillows and second hand beds and quilt covers and pillow cases for folk and their children who couldn't afford to. I also donate as much stuff as they will take to our local charity shops.

I do what the Americans call "paying it forward".

I hope that if there ever comes a day when I am in desperate need of something, someone will do the same for me.

 

[securespark]

They probably got full sky, iphones, escooters, drunk every night etc etc
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You read the Daily Fail, I see.

Look at the statistics. There is a tiny percentage of fraudulent claims for benefits.

But the remainder are genuine claims from people who are genuinely struggling.

As for that stupid headline "Just fill in a form for disabled benefit", have you ever seen the paperwork?

The Government always say things like "Don't forget to claim benefits you may be entitled to.", but it's not always easy to fill in the paperwork, especially for PIP. Then you have to go for an assessment by someone who isn't fully medically trained. Then the stuff they write isn't always exactly what you tell them. You may have to suffer a tribunal to fight for your right to PIP. Bet the Daily Fail and the Express don't say that, do they?

Edited to add more.

 

[Notch7]

yep beds are really expensive

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People who can’t afford a bed dont run cars so can’t collect

 

[securespark]

So many poor people , we have had trouble giving away reasonably decent furniture, unless its brand new "the poor" are not interested

You have to be careful with furniture. Charity shops won't take upholstered stuff unless it has the latest safety labelling.

 

[Notch7]

Most can't be bothered because the state pays them

Do you have evidence of that

 

[Notch7]

pays them, almost the equivalent, of what they would get in a minimum wage job

Min wage is £400 a week gross

universal credit is £85 a week

 

[Notch7]

They probably got full sky, iphones, escooters, drunk every night etc etc
..

Oh look a Tory voter

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Min wage is £400 a week gross

universal credit is £85 a week

I don't know, but suspect there are many other benefits, and discounts which appear, once you are on UC.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Do you have evidence of that

I have, a family near here - the grandparents never held a job, the parents likewise, no doubt the offspring will follow the same life.

 

[motorbiking]

Thanks for that, but a) The report presented by you does not contain the data that you think it does. It's necessary to download an Excel spreadsheet and search for the required data, and to try to crossreference with other data. It still does not hold the relevant data.
b) it's normal to identify and present the specific information asked for, rather than leave the other person having to search through a mulitple page report and downloading additional speadsheets to find the data.
But that's your normal MO, expecting others to find the information or data you claim, with comments like "read the report", "read the judgement", "look up the law", "look up the Act", etc.

I've highlighted in red the nearest relevant recent data. It can be found in the downloaded report, the link for the download is in the report presented by motorbiking, and it's on the fifth spreadsheet called "Irr_D01"

View attachment 315637
It still does not hold the required data, because, and I remind you we were discussing the available legal routes, and I suggested that they only apply for specific nationalities and for limited periods,, and I referred to Ukranians and Hong Kongers as typical examples.

But to l;ook at the nearest relevant data about people arriving via safe routes.

One of the more obvious aspects of this data is the low numbers of people arriving via the safe legal routes compared to the unsafe and hazardous boat arrivals.
The first two quarters of 2023, there were just 3,413 arrivals by these safe routes compared to 14,846 boat arrivals.
Of course we don't know the succes rate of these two methods of arrivals. But we do have historical success rates for comparison.

From another source, (see below) not contained in the report you presented, we can see that the percentage success rate for people via these safe and legal routes is a really very low success rate.
You will, I assume recall that the normal percentage success rate for irregular arrivals is about 86%.
Whereas the success rate for the regular legal routes is just 8.5%.
Is it any wonder that the safe and legal routes are dismissed for asylum seekers and the irregular, unsafe, hazardous crossings are preferred.
This Tory government has the power to change this, but they steadfastly refuse to do so.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9630/#:~:text=According%20to%20Home%20Office%20quarterly,72%2C027%20asylum%20applications%20were%20submitted.

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A reminder of what you said;

motorbiking said:
There are still many coming via plane
Roy Bloom said:
Only the Ukrainians, and those from Hong Kong.

So given Ukrainians and HK immigrants come via legal routes and are not included in the above data. How do you account for the 1500 or so [H1] that came via air?

more boll@x from you.

But that's your normal MO, expecting others to find the information or data you claim, with comments like "read the report", "read the judgement", "look up the law", "look up the Act", etc.

to do otherwise would be a full time job.