North Korean Spy ?

[ban-all-sheds]

I really am disappointed in this ridiculous response.

As you well know, I dislike the corruption of the language and I thought you felt the same.

So what word would you suggest we use to describe people who are prejudiced against, who dislike, who treat unfairly, and in some cases kill, others because of any of the following differences from themselves:

• Colour of skin.
• Native language.
• Country of birth.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
  
• Ethnicity.

?

Like it or not, the term "racism" has been around long enough for people to know that it does not necessarily mean prejudice/dislike/fear/hatred of another "race".

You have always been a grumpy bugger and I quite like that but lately you seem to be very inconsistent and illogical, but that must be the stupidest thing you have ever written.

By pointing out something is not racist, I must be racist. Yes, of course. How could I have been so silly?

Look at my argument more closely.

Look at what your motive is.

If someone is prepared to declare that the entire population of a particular nation is untrustworthy just because it is a different nation from their own, what do you gain from creating the situation where they may not be described as racist?

Are the French a different race than Transam? ____

Can a person be racist by maligning another of the same race? ____

We are each and every one of us a member of the human race.

If the concept of "race" becomes utterly discredited, does the word "racism" then have to disappear from our lexicon? As above, what would you replace it with to describe people who continue to use terms like Pak¡, Kike, Bubble, N¡gger, Raghϵad, Frog, Eyetie, Spic, Dago, Wοg....? Who continue to treat others less favourably because of the colour of their skin, or their place of birth? Who refuse to accept that someone with a different skin colour to theirs has the same rights as them simply because of that colour? Who say that someone born in Birmingham should be "sent back home" when in that context "home" isn't even where that person's parents were born? Who think that if a black person becomes a footballer it's OK to throw bananas at him and do monkey caricatures?

Or who believe that moral failings are an inherent character trait of someone born 21 miles from Dover if that was 21 miles in a SE direction rather than a NW?

Is there even an alternative word which could be used?

Because if there isn't, or if it does not "mean" the same as "racist" then I really do struggle to see why you would be so keen to fight against "corruption of the language" that you would rather see us unable to properly criticise those who think it is OK to kill fellow human beings because of the way they worship, or where their grandparents happened to be born.

 

[SammyInnit]

Well I never knew country of birth, native language, religion, nationality or ethnicity determined race.

Oh wait, they don't. Not racism then.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Well I never knew country of birth, native language, religion, nationality or ethnicity determined race.

Oh wait, they don't. Not racism then.

https://www.diynot.com/diy/posts/4265147/

https://www.diynot.com/diy/posts/4265655/​

You're not very good at this, are you.

 

[SammyInnit]

https://www.diynot.com/diy/posts/4265147/

https://www.diynot.com/diy/posts/4265655/​

You're not very good at this, are you.

BAS is being taken seriously. Quite surpring, I thought he was just LARPing.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Suffice it to ask:

• Colour of skin.
• Native language.
• Country of birth.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
  
• Ethnicity.

Which of those is an indication of race?

Like it or not, the term "racism" has been around long enough for people to know that it does not necessarily mean prejudice/dislike/fear/hatred of another "race".

It is frequently used incorrectly. Do not perpetuate that misuse.

I cannot believe you are writing such nonsense.

 

[Doppleganger]

Like it or not, the term "racism" has been around long enough for people to know that it does not necessarily mean prejudice/dislike/fear/hatred of another "race".

Is there even an alternative word which could be used?

It is frequently used incorrectly. Do not perpetuate that misuse.

I see it in the same way that thieves try to justify their actions as "providing work for policemen".
Those that try to deny racism do so in the need to justify their actions to themselves in order to avoid their own internal dilemma, their conscience, telling them that racism is morally wrong, but ethnic discrimination is acceptable.
They are deluding only themselves by trying to insist that racism does not exist on some flimsy claim that racism can only relate to race.
Racism, ethnic discrimination, xenophobia, it doesn't matter what you call it. It is still the same morally repugnant disrespect/treatment of others for no other reason than that they originate from a different part of the world or culture than the perpetrator.

Before anyone starts comparing the jocular anecdotes about English, Scots Welsh, Irish, etc. I am talking about inbuilt hatred or treatment of other nationalities/cultures for no other reason than that difference in nationality or culture. (By culture, I include religion.)

 

[Notch7]

Those that try to deny racism do so in the need to justify their actions to themselves in order to avoid their own internal dilemma, their conscience, telling them that racism is morally wrong, but ethnic discrimination is acceptable.
They are deluding only themselves by trying to insist that racism does not exist on some flimsy claim that racism can only relate to race.

Rubbish.

A person can correctly state racism refers to race only -as it is in a dictionary.

That does not mean that person is denying there is discrimination, and it has nothing to do with conscience.

Please point out where anybody has said they don't believe ethnic discrimination exists?

Classic case of conflating arguments to pin the racism card on somebody.

Maybe I don't like people who post under multiple usernames. Dose that make me racist?

 

[Doppleganger]

A person can correctly state racism refers to race only -as it is in a dictionary.

A person cannot correctly state that racism refers only to race - as it is understood in a colloquial sense.

Colloquialism exists within a vernacular.
Coca Cola - coke
Children - kids
gonna - going to
must of - must have
Vacuum cleaner - hoover
ball point pen - biro

Resorting to the strict dictionary definition as a defence, in claiming that racism does not apply, is a typical reaction to the internal dilemma, conscience, that perpetrators experience.

As in the thieves response that they are providing work for law enforcement, or it is the fault of the government not providing for me, etc. It is a tactic to resolve their own internal dilemma, their conscience.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Suffice it to ask:


Which of those is an indication of race?

None of them.

Or all of them in the context of "racism".

It is frequently used incorrectly.

It is frequently used in accordance with the etymology and formal definitions here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Etymology,_definition_and_usage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Legal

Do not perpetuate that misuse.

I suggest you try changing that Wikipedia article so that it reflects your views on the valid ways in which the term can be used, and see just how many people agree with you that it is "misuse".

I cannot believe you are writing such nonsense.

And I cannot believe that you are writing such nonsense.

I cannot believe that you do not understand how words function in communication between people.

I cannot believe that given how long ago this horse bolted you think you can magic it back into it's stable by bleating on about how it was a very naughty horse to have run away and we must all stop acknowledging that it did.

I cannot believe that you think people will fail to take note of your refusal to say what word should be used instead.

I cannot believe that you do not have an ulterior motive for wanting to dismiss "racism" as a nonsense word. And it seems I am not the only one.

 

[Notch7]

Resorting to the strict dictionary definition as a defence

Defence of what?

It is a tactic to resolve their own internal dilemma, their conscience.

Incorrect, you are making an assumption without any proof. to suit your argument -a false argument.

You are saying that anybody that disagrees with the dictionary definition of rascist, must themselves be a racist.

You can argue the first point, you cannot make a claim on the second.

 

[Doppleganger]

Defence of what?

Racism. Ethnic Discrimination. Xenophobia. Nationalism.
Whatever you want to call it.

You are saying that anybody that disagrees with the dictionary definition of rascist, must themselves be a racist.

No. I am saying that anyone who tries to argue that racism cannot exist, based solely on the dictionary definition is mistaken because colloquialism is understood. Whereas the dictionary definitions are strict definitions based on the vernacular, as in the examples I quoted.
It is the motivation behind their arguments that determine whether they are racist or not. Some may argue purely for the sake of arguing. Others may argue to resolve their internal dilemma. Some may be strict pedants.

We all know what a hoover is, we all know what a biro is. But they are strictly trade names. But we fully understand the context in which they are used.

When we describe racism, everyone fully understands what it refers to. Anyone who suggest it is not racism and employs a strict dictionary definition to support their argument may be trying to disguise the act or intent of hatred of others for the difference of nationality, culture, religion etc.

Call it whatever you like, the hatred or intent to disrespect that group of people is real. It happens. It is morally repugnant.

We use the term racism to communicate the understanding of the concept. Just as we use the term "hoover" or "biro".

 

[Ian H]

Is there much difference between Transams opinion of the French and your strange opinion of plumbers?

 

[Notch7]

Ive added an example to your list

Colloquialism exists within a vernacular.
Coca Cola - coke
Children - kids
gonna - going to
must of - must have
Vacuum cleaner - hoover
ball point pen - biro
Doppleganger - Himmie

 

[SammyInnit]

I've read some ****e but Himmi and BAS make an epic duo.

 

[Notch7]

Is there much difference between Transams opinion of the French and your strange opinion of plumbers?

a hatred of plumbers, is that a hate crime