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Moz
lol @ dabaldie.. an oilman
yes I bet b'liar will try to spin this on it being Irans fault some how ....lol
yes I bet b'liar will try to spin this on it being Irans fault some how ....lol
Oil depot explosion
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john prescots on his way.
great, two disasters in one day.
great, two disasters in one day.
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Moz
well he IS needed .....
they may need a BUNG for an open/broke pipe , I would whack that one with a wooden mallet home ,lol
they may need a BUNG for an open/broke pipe , I would whack that one with a wooden mallet home ,lol
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oilman said:Freddie said:And not forgetting a Brightsparkoilman said:
Hmmm...........he's been doing 17 hour days this last week and too tired to understand ohm's law, where was he working
It's a lie I tell you, I was nowhere near it Guv, Honest!!
Seriously, I was in my plant room is foggy Colchester at 6am, I never heard anything about it until I restored the power and got my radio on at about 11...also managed to make a coffee...mmmm bliss..
I bet Ben had a hand in it though..
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Moz said:well he IS needed .....
they may need a BUNG for an open/broke pipe , I would whack that one with a wooden mallet home ,lol
I would urge against using Prescott in this way..if the tank/pipe exploded..can you imagine the damage he would do on impact!!
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Can someone explain how this fire happened? I used to work in a petrol depot and the safety films always stressed that the depot contained petrol in big tanks but these tanks were surrounded by enclosures that would hold more petrol than the tanks held and they would be easy to extinguish because of that. Just a simple application of foam over the holding enclosure and the thing would be out.
So how did the thing explode? How could it be heard in Oxford?
Petrol burns but only the vapour mixed with air will explode. So how DID such a big explosion occur?
Something doesn't add up so far.
joe
So how did the thing explode? How could it be heard in Oxford?
Petrol burns but only the vapour mixed with air will explode. So how DID such a big explosion occur?
Something doesn't add up so far.
joe
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I know they are saying it was an industrial accident - but how?
I really can't see how you get a blast of that magnitude without an oxidising agent. The secondary blasts have been tiny in comparison to the first one.
Don't forget that the Oklahoma bomb was made using diesel and fertiliser with a small charge to start the reaction off.
I may be wrong - but I'd like to know how it happened if it was just plain old petrol or diesel.
Why weren't the secondary blasts of any consequence? They should have been the same as the first one.
Does anyone else have any doubts on the story we are being fed so far?
joe
I really can't see how you get a blast of that magnitude without an oxidising agent. The secondary blasts have been tiny in comparison to the first one.
Don't forget that the Oklahoma bomb was made using diesel and fertiliser with a small charge to start the reaction off.
I may be wrong - but I'd like to know how it happened if it was just plain old petrol or diesel.
Why weren't the secondary blasts of any consequence? They should have been the same as the first one.
Does anyone else have any doubts on the story we are being fed so far?
joe
The thing that really points to an accident is the timing. If it was deliberate, and the usual suspects did it you could guarantee it would have been 8am Monday
Also the staff seem to have had enough of a warning to clear the site, perhaps it was some kind of a leak from a tank or pipe lit by static or electrical equipment
Also the staff seem to have had enough of a warning to clear the site, perhaps it was some kind of a leak from a tank or pipe lit by static or electrical equipment
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But diesel and aviation fuel barely burn under normal conditions. You can drop a match into a bucket of the stuff and it will go out.
A bucket of petrol will burn harmlessly.
None of them will produce an explosion that wrecks houses half a mile away.
How do the police KNOW that terrorism wasn't involved? They haven't even tried to put the fire out yet. Something odd is going on.
joe
A bucket of petrol will burn harmlessly.
None of them will produce an explosion that wrecks houses half a mile away.
How do the police KNOW that terrorism wasn't involved? They haven't even tried to put the fire out yet. Something odd is going on.
joe
Agreed, seems strange but like i said the timing thing points away from it being deliberate, at least by islamic terrorists unless of course they set the timers wrong like the IRA guy who blew himself to bits on the bus on sunday night with a bomb fo monday because the bloke who built it (using a video timer) got it wrong
I think there was ordinary petrol on site and an eyewitnes on sky spoke about a mist coming out of a tank. This was probably flammable whatever it was, maybe the tank was empty ie just filled with an explosive fuel air mix and it triggerd somehow
I think there was ordinary petrol on site and an eyewitnes on sky spoke about a mist coming out of a tank. This was probably flammable whatever it was, maybe the tank was empty ie just filled with an explosive fuel air mix and it triggerd somehow
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joe,
1) it was a 3 million tank of fuel, not a bucket.
2)its under pressure, a simple pressure valve can dump huge amounts of vapour, maybe air was allowed into the tank, maybe it was empty for maintenance and it was 99% vapour, who knows, we wont until an enquiry, and im likly to know alot of stuff that wont get released because of contacts at these places (hell i practicly live next to it)
as for fire fighting, put it like this,
potentialy 60 million gallons of fuel + water = floating fire, enviromental damage+ no effect = pointless
potentialy 60 million gallons of fuel + a few 100 gallons of foam = limited effect+ re ignition of what you have just put out = pointless + waste of reasources
their plan of attack = let some burn off (its a massive fire) and keep all the tanks surronding cool with water. + order foam from across the country and internationally dilute this with a few million gallons of water from the canal (not far) to produce HUGE quantitys of the stuff, when this is all ready to go, get every nozzel you can aimed at the fire and go in all guns blazing, starve the fire of oxygen and dont stop til its all used = cool area, fire starved, oil cooled= fire out and chances of re-ignition minimal
nothing suspicious about it apart from the order in which the tanks are burning....imagine two rows of huge tanks, now why would 1 end tank burn on either row at either end plus a couple in the middle without affecting many containers just as flamable in between? how does it simply spread between this gap without any effect?
1) it was a 3 million tank of fuel, not a bucket.
2)its under pressure, a simple pressure valve can dump huge amounts of vapour, maybe air was allowed into the tank, maybe it was empty for maintenance and it was 99% vapour, who knows, we wont until an enquiry, and im likly to know alot of stuff that wont get released because of contacts at these places (hell i practicly live next to it)
as for fire fighting, put it like this,
potentialy 60 million gallons of fuel + water = floating fire, enviromental damage+ no effect = pointless
potentialy 60 million gallons of fuel + a few 100 gallons of foam = limited effect+ re ignition of what you have just put out = pointless + waste of reasources
their plan of attack = let some burn off (its a massive fire) and keep all the tanks surronding cool with water. + order foam from across the country and internationally dilute this with a few million gallons of water from the canal (not far) to produce HUGE quantitys of the stuff, when this is all ready to go, get every nozzel you can aimed at the fire and go in all guns blazing, starve the fire of oxygen and dont stop til its all used = cool area, fire starved, oil cooled= fire out and chances of re-ignition minimal
nothing suspicious about it apart from the order in which the tanks are burning....imagine two rows of huge tanks, now why would 1 end tank burn on either row at either end plus a couple in the middle without affecting many containers just as flamable in between? how does it simply spread between this gap without any effect?
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pickles, the guy in the office most likly hit the shut down button - trigers alarms external to the site and shuts down every electrical circuit on the site, locks off valves and shuts gates/barriers and everything becomes manual
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I've thought about the tank being empty but if I remember right then tanks have a floating baffle that moves up and down with the petrol level which would mean there would be very little hydrocarbon residue on the other side so it can't explode.
Remember that these tanks are designed not to explode under any circumstance and as far as I know they don't have a habit of doing so.
As far as a premeditated attack goes, if it were me I'd do it early on a Sunday morning when there are few staff around - wouldn't you?
joe
Remember that these tanks are designed not to explode under any circumstance and as far as I know they don't have a habit of doing so.
As far as a premeditated attack goes, if it were me I'd do it early on a Sunday morning when there are few staff around - wouldn't you?
joe
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