Oil depot explosion

[supersparks]

no i wouldent.
do it on sunday = possibility of 10 killed max - the estate is empty apart from security at 6 am
plus cause potential disruption and cause a few billion in damage

or do it with a big bomb truck on monday, destroy the whole place, not just part of it, kill 100s of thousands with smoke+ shrapnal (99% of the offices in maylands have large quanitys of glass in them, look at the northgate soloutions building - its the one with computers everyware and glass embedded in everything + cause complete shutdown of the south east, cost millions in security improvements arround the country, give blair and bush an excuse for another war = more islamic hate = mass race attacks = complete civil unrest and anarchy, lets face it, a attack on that scale would cause just that.

 

[pickles]

pickles, the guy in the office most likly hit the shut down button - trigers alarms external to the site and shuts down every electrical circuit on the site, locks off valves and shuts gates/barriers and everything becomes manual

You think they must have had some kind of a warning then

 

[Moz]

where did it go ..SO WRONG


that fat munter ..... smacked sooooo hard into a pipe end too ...



the New labour spin ..... joey99 web **** .......

 

[joe-90]

So you think mongolism (Down syndrome) is a joke huh? You are one sick puppy.


joe

 

[Big_Spark]

I was discussing this with a friend tonight, I have worked in the Oil industry for a contractor so have a good idea of some of the kit and how somethings can go wrong to create fires and small explosion, but H has worked on Gas to Gasoline plants, Oil storage facilities and several refineries, as well as Mines in Africa etc where huge quanitities of fuel are stored for machinery etc.

H thinks it is possible that they may have been drawing off the vapour from a drained tank for an inspection or general maintenance, possibly to replace vlaves etc. If they were doing this then it would explain the original explosion and also why alarms would have sounded. H said that something like this almost happened on a plant he worked on. They drew off the vapours, which cannot be vented to atmosphere for safety reasons, so they are stored, under pressure, in a vessel beside the main tank. However the pressure is sufficient to reduce the volume down, but not to return the vapour to a liquid state, which can be done in a specialist plant. In the one H spoke of an small valve on the storage vessel, usually a specialised mobile tanker, let go, releasing a jet of pressurised vapour. In his case the vapour caught fire, but the Guys there managed to stop the flame from reaching the tank and saved the day..however he said they were simply lucky, normally the flames reach the tanker and then Kaboom..it goes up...

H thinks this is a likely scenario for the cause of the initial explosion, and if this occured during the charging process, where they drew the vapours out of the storage vessel into the tanker, the size of the explosion could be explained as the tanker going off would cause the main tank to go almost at once..

IF this is what happened, or even in the ball park, then it would help explain some of the events and the warings, as the valve would intially start to let go before it was ignited, giving people the opportunity to hit the alarm and escape the immediate vacinity..

Time will tell, the truth will come out eventually.

 

[johnny_t]

Joe,

I've been thinking about what you've been saying in this thread, and a couple of thoughts have occurred to me. Yes, it does seem like a very unusual 'accident', as the oil not only needs to be released but also ignited, and it does seem very early to conclude that it is an accident, given that no-one has been anywhere near the actual incident site yet.

However, the thing that steers me away from thinking it is deliberate is that this government has a track record of wanting to make us fearful of terrorism - If they could imply that the mysterious peck-marks in the top of my milk bottles were the work of Al-Qaida, then they would - so it is actually quite strange that they haven't been making dark noises about the possibility of terrorism being involved, why this proves we should all carry ID cards, etc., etc., and I'm sure they would have done if they thought they could get away with it.

 

[joe-90]

Big Spark.

The points your post don't cover are:

1) An explosion of that kind would need HUGE amounts of oxygen. Far more than contained in a tank.

2) The tanks have a floating baffle inside so that when the level falls there is NO AIR/FUEL MIXTURE in the tank. Think of a wine box. As you draw out the wine the bag in the box shrinks down so that you never have air in the box to send the wine bad. It's the same principle. As the fuel is drawn off the internal float comes down and no air is allowed to mix with the petrol.

3) You cannot draw off vapour! If you pump most of the air out of a container then the atmosphere would crush the tank. Didn't they show you that at school? The only way to stop that happening would be to admit more air - so what would it prove?

4) How do they know without any examination that 50KGs of Cemtex wasn't attached to three of the tanks that went up? Just how do they know what it wasn't if they don't know what it was?


If you were a terrorist - would the fuel depot be on your hit list? It would be on mine.


Also. think how difficult it is to ignite a car fuel tank. I've seen wrecks completely burnt out that still have intact fuel tanks.

joe

 

[oilman]

Why don't you just stop your silly conspiracy theories? You have no evidence to base your ill founded speculation on. You may suspect it was either a faulty float switch, or vicious rising damp.

 

[dg123]

I live in Oxford and my house was shaking like a jelly just after 06:00, it was though an earthquake was occurring accompanied by a very strange noise. I didn't see the news until around 10:00 and then I realised what had caused the house to tremor.

 

[joe-90]

Why don't you just stop your silly conspiracy theories? You have no evidence to base your ill founded speculation on. You may suspect it was either a faulty float switch, or vicious rising damp.

Why don't you prove me wrong?



joe

 

[Thermo]

50 kgs of semtex, have you ANY idea of the explosive power of semtex?

 

[joe-90]

50 kgs of semtex, have you ANY idea of the explosive power of semtex?

Yes, it would create the situation we've just seen.


joe

 

[supersparks]

50kgs of cemtex wouldn’t do that. On its own, and even if any was used using 50kgs would be pointless because it wouldn’t be the primary explosive, rather the detonator. lets have a head count, how many people here live in hemel? How many have been in the estate today?
i can say yes to both, and the only thing i can compare it to is after a twister or similar. so why are people who live 100 miles away telling me what happened there? and what the new conspiracy they have dreamt up is?

just to clarify for people who haven’t seen it, there is buncefield oil dept., to the rear its fields for miles +the m1

to the front its highly populated with heavy industry, also to the sides, plus on one side across a field is housing.


the estate covers about 3 square miles in all, and there probably isn’t a building not touched, there are huge brickwork warehouses a quarter of a mile away just....gone all the buildings within about half a mile have been demolished, as you move out the damage is less but it is like a twisters gone through the estate, the pictures you see on tv cant relay what its like, for instance, some of the steel framed buildings are litrally just that now - steel frames, all paneling stripped off, whole floors contence scattered across a few miles

they pulled everyone out of the area within the last hour, everyone, firemen, police, ambulance as well as workers boarding up ect ect to the outer cordon because a tank containing another fuel has ignited and they believe its about to go bang.

 

[joe-90]

Visiting Hemel hardly proves anything does it? How close have you been to the site? And what could you see from there? Less than we see on the TV, that's what.

Now tell me why only the first explosion was the big one. What caused it? Where did the oxygen supply come from? Why did other smaller tanks across the compound explode at about the same time?

If you you light your blow lamp it doesn't blow up - so why should a larger canister with less volatile fuel do so?

Let's hear your science. Let's hear you prove you case.

They are now saying that they have no idea how it happened and will never know. Funny thing is though, that within an hour or two they KNEW it wasn't a bomb planted. Just how did they know that when they admit they have no idea how it happened?


joe

 

[notb665]

Semtex smells of marzipan. (Well, the additive they put in it does).