Ok ...Hanging & Capital punishment

[killerheels]

Another great discussion.

But why is it people always focus on the convicted murderer? His motive? His background? Why the hell would any sane normal person want to 'get' inside his head and figure out what makes him tick?
The world is brimming with too many do-gooders and advocates of rehabilitation.

For once ... just for once... think of the question in the context of the victim's family or society as a whole.
Your average law abiding person expects, not unreasonably, the Law to provide them with a safe, secure place in which to live, to safely bring their children up etc etc.
If some sicko psycho multiple murderer gets convicted he should forfeit his own life.
That's not revenge. That's Justice. It also helps the victims family grieve and find some kind of closure on a horrific episode in their life. You only have to look at that poor old lady, recently passed on, who had to suffer decades of further anguish from Ian Brady's sick mind games.
I would happily volunteer to rid the world of the likes of him.

 

[Norcon]

I would happily volunteer to rid the world of the likes of him.

Then you become a killer of men. A vengeful person with no compassion.

 

[killerheels]

I would happily volunteer to rid the world of the likes of him.

Then you become a killer of men. A vengeful person with no compassion.

No. The killer who tortures or beats to death a child who is crying and begging for help and soiling himself with sheer terror is the murderer. The killer who brutalizes an elderly defenceless person who trustingly allowed them into their house as a guest ...is a murderer. None of these show any human empathy. They inflict pain. They can not relate to pain or they wouldn't inflict it upon others. They often derive joy or some inner gratification at the feeling of power over the person they have at their mercy.
Whereas me ... I would derive no pleasure but view it simply as removing a rabid dog. Safer for everyone.
The only trait we would have in common is that neither the murderer or I would have any remorse over our action.

 

[EddieM]

I would happily volunteer to rid the world of the likes of him.

Then you become a killer of men. A vengeful person with no compassion.

No. The killer who tortures or beats to death a child who is crying and begging for help and soiling himself with sheer terror is the murderer. The killer who brutalizes an elderly defenceless person who trustingly allowed them into their house as a guest ...is a murderer. None of these show any human empathy. They inflict pain. They can not relate to pain or they wouldn't inflict it upon others. They often derive joy or some inner gratification at the feeling of power over the person they have at their mercy.
Whereas me ... I would derive no pleasure but view it simply as removing a rabid dog. Safer for everyone.
The only trait we would have in common is that neither the murderer or I would have any remorse over our action.

reasonable comment, what would you do with them though?

sorry think you answered that..... and if you were wrong ..... ???

 

[peaps2]

Helene, a registered nurse working in Austin, is opposed to the death penalty because she believes it creates more victims than it helps. “There is no closure after a loved one is murdered.” “The criminal who is executed leaves behind relatives/friends of their own. These families not only have to live with the anguish of knowing their loved one was a murderer, but they then live a lifetime of grief after the execution. Tragedy begets tragedy, like a snowball rolling downhill,” she explained.

http://www.mvfr.org/?page_id=6

 

[LastMagicBean]

A 15 year old lad at our school who was bullied got into a fight one day (fight back son) and killed the lad, he was convicted of murder and given HMP (life). Went onto serve 12 years, now owns a thriving company and employs over 100 staff. He would be dead at 15 years old if people like you had their way

What a success story.

I've read some p*ss poor anecdote's over the years but that b*stard takes the biscuit.

 

[killerheels]

I would happily volunteer to rid the world of the likes of him.

Then you become a killer of men. A vengeful person with no compassion.

No. The killer who tortures or beats to death a child who is crying and begging for help and soiling himself with sheer terror is the murderer. The killer who brutalizes an elderly defenceless person who trustingly allowed them into their house as a guest ...is a murderer. None of these show any human empathy. They inflict pain. They can not relate to pain or they wouldn't inflict it upon others. They often derive joy or some inner gratification at the feeling of power over the person they have at their mercy.
Whereas me ... I would derive no pleasure but view it simply as removing a rabid dog. Safer for everyone.
The only trait we would have in common is that neither the murderer or I would have any remorse over our action.

reasonable comment, what would you do with them though?

sorry think you answered that..... and if you were wrong ..... ???

What would I do with them? Lethal injection? Behind closed doors and not allowed to become a public circus.
Ah ... yes .. you mean the innocent. And yes, there would undoubtedly be the odd one. Neither system is without it faults and are far from ideal but on balance I think capital punishment is a far safer option in terms of protecting the rest of us.
At the very least the Death Penalty should be reintroduced for the likes of Brady. Hindley, West. Sutcliffe. The multiple murderers.
I'd be the first to admit that those two lads who killed little Jamie Bulger are an entirely different kettle of fish.
I believe they were old enough to know what they were doing. This age of crimminal responsibility is a farce. Yet .. even I would hesitate to sentence them to death but neither is it right that at tax payers expense they get the protection of new identities.

 

[peaps2]

"The death penalty is a false promise that goes unfulfilled, leaving victims' families frustrated and angry [and] wastes millions of dollars that could go toward much needed victims' services."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/07/capital-punishment-texas

 

[EddieM]

why do you even bother it is not going to happen. stop wasting ur breath.

 

[Norcon]

killer wrote

Whereas me ... I would derive no pleasure but view it simply as removing a rabid dog. Safer for everyone.

But brady was removed and safer for everyone.
What good would killing him have done?

You want revenge don't you because he was a bad man and deserved to die!

 

[peaps2]

A 15 year old lad at our school who was bullied got into a fight one day (fight back son) and killed the lad, he was convicted of murder and given HMP (life). Went onto serve 12 years, now owns a thriving company and employs over 100 staff. He would be dead at 15 years old if people like you had their way

What a success story.

I've read some p*ss poor anecdote's over the years but that b*stard takes the biscuit.

Leslie Michael Grantham (born 30 April 1947[1]) is an English actor best known for his role as "Dirty" Den Watts in the soap opera EastEnders. He is also a convicted murderer, having served 10 years for the killing of a German taxi driver, and he generated significant press coverage as the result of an online sex scandal in 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Grantham

Did ok for himself also

 

[calorific]

Leslie Michael Grantham (born 30 April 1947[1]) is an English actor best known for his role as "Dirty" Den Watts in the soap opera EastEnders. He is also a convicted murderer, having served 10 years for the killing of a German taxi driver, and he generated significant press coverage as the result of an online sex scandal in 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Grantham

Did ok for himself also

Since you're into cherry picking, how about this little beauty?

 

[calorific]

Or some of these
You'll notice how none of their victims did very well for themselves

 

[LastMagicBean]

Peaps doesn't care about the devastation caused and felt.
He couldn't give a monkeys.

 

[LastMagicBean]

You want revenge don't you because he was a bad man and deserved to die!

Justice and revenge have always gone hand in hand.