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Nothing doom mongerish about it. It's just the consequences of large scale stupidity easily explained by some simple mathematics. If people understand what is coming the ones capable of delayed gratification may start to make some rational decisions and prepare accordingly. Then it won't be as bad for them.
 
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For some reason everybody i speak to seems to think once (if ever) the defecit is cleared and we are fully out of the downturn, then spending will go back to normal and all the pay cuts and squeezing of budgets will go back to how it used to be....never. They are here to stay now.

Sadly, I think you're absolutely right, but not necessarily for the reasons you think.

What we're effectively seeing now is a East-West reset.

Let me explain that.

We're being reset back to where this country should be before this crazy reliance on credit took a hold and destroyed everything. Far too many people have been living far beyond their means by a heavy reliance on credit. That credit has now effectively dried up and someone has to pick up the tab for all this debt now sloshing around.

In the past governments have relied on an ever increasing GDP growth - increasing GDP growth = more exports = more money for business and more tax income.

The problem now of course is that there is no GDP growth and even worse there's a negative balance of payments deficit. In other words, we're importing far more than we're exporting (the credit fuelled consumer boom is causing that) which means a huge amount of money going out of the country. Where's it going? China mostly, on cheap electrical imports.

So as this country's GDP retracts (and everyone's standard of living with it) China's increases hence the East-West reset going on.

We're going backwards and China is going upwards, primarily because this country is simply not able to compete with the cheap imports of the far eastern economies.

And there you have it in a nutshell!

And the answer to all this is?

Well a lot of people think this country has already gone beyond the point of no return, but there's two things that desperately need to happen before anything can get any better -

1/ An exit from the EU. The EU is one of the causes of this country's many problems. Including the massive influx of cheap labour from the EU, one of the things pulling down the standard of living here.

Don't take my word for it - look at Norway, a non-EU member that has one of the highest standards of living in the world. The population of Norway have twice been polled on EU membership and have twice rejected it.

2/ A change in the voting system to Proportional Representation so government can finally become accountable to the people who elect it.

Neither of these two things will ever happen, simply because the politicians and government who wield the power won't ever let them happen. It's not in their interest to, because it brings an end to their gravy train and for once in their lives they'll have to do what's right for this country and the population who live in it rather than themselves and their business buddies.

If it carries on as it is now, it will only ever get worse.

This country hasn't had any other government other than a Tory or Labour one since the end of the second world war - whatever problems it has now have been caused and inflicted by BOTH parties, they're both as bas as each other, so why an earth do people keep voting for them?

Sorry, rant over!
 
It's heartening to see that more people are beginning to get it.

To add to spicy's post - GDP is a flawed measure and utterly deceiving because credit spending is included in the figures. The formula is:

GDP = C+I+G+(Ex-iM)

GDP = Consumption+Inventment+Government Spending+(Exports - iMports)

All the debt that people have run up to buy cars, holidays, houses etc counted towards C. This is now a total of £1,406,000,000,000 in loans, cards and overdrafts which is about the size of a year's GDP. We also owe £1,243,000,000,000 in mortgages. All of this counted towards the historical GDP figures.

The Government is currently spending about £125,000,000,000 a year that it borrows. This is about 8% of GDP. If it stops borrowing and spending this, GDP falls by 8%. Actually it will fall more because there is a multiplier effect e.g. public sector wages get spent on consumption.

The mainstream media don't bother to tell you all this.
 
Exactly the same as happens in most of the world. multiple generations sharing the same house and for the really hard up sharing the same room. When house prices drop far enough they will be able to afford to buy again, which would of course stuff the ones who kept their gaffs.

I wish it wasn't so. But do the sums as touched on above and there is no way out.

What will happen is eventually sterling will collapse and that will give us a chance. just don't expect to be able to afford anything that requires import.

People live like this all over the world. no reason why we should be any different.
Joe 90 has been on about this for a long time and you sound just like him,unless....................,no you can't be,there's only one Joe.
 
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If you get enjoyment out of working out who has multiple aliases then don't let me stop your fun.

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What's the answer though Sombrero? Ed Balls?
Well for a start, stop wasting money overseas specially when India telling us they don't need it unless the UK keeping a secret here for sending it(?) also the corrupted EU wasting money, closed the tax loophole and a better tax system, sort out the welfare, the lists is endless but the real problem is the money is the root of all evil. It's a mess.
 
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