Our NHS

[EFLImpudence]

Do you mean -

letting poor people do what wealthy people do?

Whatever next?

 

[IT Minion]

PFI was a terrible idea. It isn't the headline cost that is the worst, it was trying hospitals into contracts where they couldn't change anything without using the official provider at whatever exorbitant price they chose to charge. Buying out the contract, even at the full cost they would be paying over the entire lifetime of the debt would save a lot.

It's as if you had a mortgage where you had to use the banks people to do any work on the house, no matter how much they were going to charge you for a new lightbulb.

 

[EddieM]

OK, I fully appreciate that the question I originally posted was very broad and wooly. I fully appreciate that there are many thing wrong in the NHS, disparity of wages, PFI, procurement, scope creep (awful IT phrase!) etc etc.. these do need addressing... so lets gets those fixed and put our hands a bit deeper into our pockets, where we can and help fund an NHS that we can be even more proud of. Most people's and I accept it can go wrong, experience of being under the care of the NHS are often amazed at the care, professionalism and dedication of the staff. I for one salute you all.

 

[ellal]

Add in a proper, fair charging system for foreign users whose country doesn't have a reciprocal arrangement with the UK. Brexit aside, I hope we quickly agree a new EHIC system- it has been brilliant.

Continuing EHIC is vital.
Because there are pretty severe consequences if not.

All those thousands of UK citizens living in the EEA/EU will no longer have health cover, and travel/health insurance in most cases after 18th March excludes anything to do with coronavirus whatsoever.
So chances are we'll see a sudden influx of 'health expensive' older people from the continent putting further strain on the NHS.
(one brexiteer argument was that you could always get private health cover, but that of course is shown up to be in error. It isn't just the current situation, so many other things were already excluded).

And when travel does start up again, who in their right mind is going to go abroad if they could be left to die unless they have pots of money?
As for those trade deals with the rest of the world, they would have to include reciprocal cover as again no-one in their right mind would travel overseas (and vice versa) if medical cover is not available.
This List of what is currently covered and where outside the EEA is hardly impressive!

Edit: And don't expect the UK government to help out either

 

[durhamplumber]

The NHS admin costs are about one third the cost of those in the USA.

Irrelavant

 

[durhamplumber]

My last encounter with the NHS was a few weeks in a bed,five years ago.I could not thank them enough,treatment,follow up etc....Some find the need to criticise everything..From the lack of sandwich choice,not enough tea etc etc..It is not the bloody RITZ.....On a Coronary care Ward....Some will twist on 21.

 

[durhamplumber]

The Government write-off was a bit of a con. They cancelled the debt but they also reduced the budgets of the trusts by the amount it was costing them - so overall there is no change for them.

You are the type to twist no matter how good the NHS is and how much money is thrown at it.If you were being fed on michelin star food in your own ward with a team of world renowned specialists dedicated to you alone you would find fault and moan.

 

[SirGalahad]

You are the type to twist no matter how good the NHS is and how much money is thrown at it.If you were being fed on michelin star food in your own ward with a team of world renowned specialists dedicated to you alone you would find fault and moan.

Typical fool missing the point.

Stick to watching paint dry.

 

[durhamplumber]

Typical fool missing the point.

Stick to watching paint dry.

Ungrateful....Thursday 8pm You and Notchy out with your Boris Voo Doo Doll...Sticking pins it it ..Twonks.

 

[JohnD]

Angry dum is thrashing around trying to find something to say.

He hasn't managed yet.

 

[durhamplumber]

Angry dum is thrashing around trying to find something to say.

He hasn't managed yet.

Always have you Jonny boy to cheer me up....

 

[durhamplumber]

The NHS started in a very different UK...Pre antibiotics,pre millions of cars..pre excess calories...People worked long hours,exercised more...no spare part surgerys..no fast food..Lazy buggers driving everywhere...eating crap.etc etc...Diabetes was not a huge self induced cost..god knows how many people are kept half alive after RTA..s strokes etc etc....Bariatric surgery unheard of....No matter how much money is thrown it will never be enough..The more money invested the better it will get at keeping people alive....Investment will never keep pace because it just invents more demand forever

 

[noseall]

No matter how much money is thrown it will never be enoug

Tory reductions in spending, wage freezes and sell-offs were never a good idea though, were they DP.

 

[Doug99]

You seem to cotton onto the extreme edge cases. Old people are the biggest user of the NHS. NHS services are rationed and there are limits but whe your argument is some perons had a sex change and it cost X amount - well thats a reason the NHS is wasting money is simply focusing on the wrong aspect.

Cancel PFI debt. That costs more than any sex change op.

You can legislate to seek costs for such things as cosmetic surgeries and sex changes which are not considered medically essential, but not for the cancelling of PFI arrangements already agreed with third parties.

 

[Notch7]

more recently it became a case of have as many shots at IVF as you want

do you have a link for that