Pain Killer-There's Nothing Stronger

[conny]

Indigestion pills - Aluminum Hydroxide and Magnesium Hydroxide - or you can use chalk.

or chew the filling out of MI cable.

Make sure it is isolated and locked off first though, otherwise it will make your lips tingle.

 

[conny]

If you have kidney damage you should not take Ibuprofen under any circumstances as it can rapidly deteriorate your condition.

 

[gregers]

Solpadol 30mg/500mg for my backache, works a treat. Get them on prescription.

ive been taking these for years along with 600mg ibprofen and 50mg of tramadol oh and a stomach settling tablet.oh and a b/p tablet for about 2 weeks to get my pressure down for my 5th right knee op,which was caused by white coat syndrome.
22 tabs a day,before the knee op,apart from the 1st 2 weeks recovering i havnt taken hardley any since.so happy days for me.
knee is still aching after a days graft but it certainly isnt hurting like it was pre op.
may it continue like this for long time to come,and hopefully i havnt caused any long term problems for myself.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

Non branded drugs are called generic. A lot of the cost of a new drug covers the high development costs.

Well, sort of - but we're not talking about new drugs, merely tarted up, fancy repackaging of the basic ingredient.

Generics are drugs for which the patent has lapsed.

Again, not really. It is the basic ingredient.

E.g. Aspirin - salicylic acid, found in plants (i.e. the willow and myrtle) has been used for thousands of years.
Indigestion pills - Aluminum Hydroxide and Magnesium Hydroxide - or you can use chalk.

Your first comment was facile. It is a relevant point that in some cases generics are not as good as branded drugs, because of patent law meaning that new drugs are protected. A generic should be as good as the same branded drug, obviously. But a branded pain killer might be better than a non branded one, you have to check the active ingredient (and not the raw ingredient as you incorrectly call it) to know what you are dealng with.

My second point was pertinent. There are a small number of exceptions, aspirin being one, morphine being another and indigestion tablets being yet another. But in the vast majority of cases drug development costs a fortune, and patent law allows costs to be recouped via higher prices and monopoly supply for a number of years.

The NHS encourages or forces doctors to prescribe generics when possible. Drug companies spend lots trying to pursuade docs that their drugs are best. I once knew a drug rep, he was a failed medic, partial to cigarettes spiked with cannabis oil.

 

[tony1851]

Some of you will know Veganin tablets.

Many years ago, a young female member of my family went into a chemist's shop on an errand to get some for an older person.

She couldn't remember the name and asked the chemist if he had any vagina tablets; from what I was told, everything went quiet.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

I don't know what ibruprofen causes damage to, but I'm sure someone will think of something!

Short term use (even single doses for some users) can commonly cause gastrointestinal issues: indigestion (definitely this one for me), nausea, vomiting, stomach pain and diarrhoea. Prolonged use leads to increased risk of strokes or heart attacks and also reduced fertility in women.

I'm sure one of these painkillers has as a side effect headaches. The list of side effects is often quite startling. St John's wort, a herbal anti depressant, so it's like so sustainable and earth friendly man, can cause blindness.

I prefer not to take drugs, except the odd beer, a source of vitamin B which is essential for a healthy life.

I'm sure a recent study found multivitamins could do more harm than good.

 

[JohnD]

I'm sure one of these painkillers has as a side effect headaches.

Codeine certainly does. It is found in solpadeine and many other "extra-strong" painkillers.

It is an opioid and you quickly get habituated (or dependent). When the previous dose wears off, you get withdrawal effects, including rebound headache.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Your first comment was facile. It is a relevant point that in some cases generics are not as good as branded drugs, because of patent law meaning that new drugs are protected. A generic should be as good as the same branded drug, obviously. But a branded pain killer might be better than a non branded one, you have to check the active ingredient (and not the raw ingredient as you incorrectly call it) to know what you are dealng with.

Please reread the original post to see what is being discussed.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

I'm sure one of these painkillers has as a side effect headaches.

Codeine certainly does. It is found in solpadeine and many other "extra-strong" painkillers.

It is an opioid and you quickly get habituated (or dependent). When the last previous dose wears off, you get withdrawal effects, including rebound headache.

Isn't it prescription only?

After my mother died, I found a large stash of legally obtained codeine and morphine. She died after major bowel surgery, her large intestine having stopped working, and having almost starved to death. A side effect of morphine, which she took for back pain, is paralysis of the intestine (peristalsis ceases). I never found out if the morphine caused the bowel paralysis. But I have strong suspicions she was dependent on one or both drugs, despite being a retired nurse. Those who say pure heroin/morphine is safe are wrong.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

Your first comment was facile. It is a relevant point that in some cases generics are not as good as branded drugs, because of patent law meaning that new drugs are protected. A generic should be as good as the same branded drug, obviously. But a branded pain killer might be better than a non branded one, you have to check the active ingredient (and not the raw ingredient as you incorrectly call it) to know what you are dealng with.

Please reread the original post to see what is being discussed.

Please reread the subsequent posts to see how the thread developed. And stop being so condescending.

 

[JohnD]

A lot of the cost of a new drug covers the high development costs.

Or so the drug companies would like you to believe. In fact they spend more on marketing than on R&D. I don't know if the illegal bribes are included in the accounts.

http://www.theguardian.com/business...thkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticals

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29274822

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gsk-romania-corruption-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q32A920150729

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs...laid-on-by-drugs-firms-to-sway-NHS-staff.html

 

[JohnD]

Isn't it prescription only?

No.

http://www.boots.com/en/Boots-Paracetamol-and-Codeine-Caplets-32-Caplets_11229/

 

[Shutpa]

Non branded drugs are called generic. A lot of the cost of a new drug covers the high development costs.

Well, sort of - but we're not talking about new drugs, merely tarted up, fancy repackaging of the basic ingredient.

Generics are drugs for which the patent has lapsed.

Again, not really. It is the basic ingredient.

E.g. Aspirin - salicylic acid, found in plants (i.e. the willow and myrtle) has been used for thousands of years.
Indigestion pills - Aluminum Hydroxide and Magnesium Hydroxide - or you can use chalk.

[QUOTE="EFLImpudence, post: 3531058, member: 144975

The problem is not quite so straightforward. There are a number of branded painkillers which contain the same basic ingredients. A generic drug is one which has the same basic ingredients as the branded product, but is sold by the drug name such as paracetamol, ibuprofen or senna. The branded product is given a name eg Nurofen. It would be interesting if we could see a list of all those branded painkilling drugs which are in reality, made up of the same basic combination of paracetamol and ibuprofen in effect making them a generic, but being branded, expensive drug.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

Non branded drugs are called generic. A lot of the cost of a new drug covers the high development costs.

Well, sort of - but we're not talking about new drugs, merely tarted up, fancy repackaging of the basic ingredient.

Generics are drugs for which the patent has lapsed.

Again, not really. It is the basic ingredient.

E.g. Aspirin - salicylic acid, found in plants (i.e. the willow and myrtle) has been used for thousands of years.
Indigestion pills - Aluminum Hydroxide and Magnesium Hydroxide - or you can use chalk.

[QUOTE="EFLImpudence, post: 3531058, member: 144975

The problem is not quite so straightforward. There are a number of branded painkillers which contain the same basic ingredients. A generic drug is one which has the same basic ingredients as the branded product, but is sold by the drug name such as paracetamol, ibuprofen or senna. The branded product is given a name eg Nurofen. It would be interesting if we could see a list of all those branded painkilling drugs which are in reality, made up of the same basic combination of paracetamol and ibuprofen in effect making them a generic, but being branded, expensive drug.

Just look on the packet, they must I believe list the active ingredient, if not all ingredients. Sometimes they are obscured, thus aqua is, well, that's an exercise for the reader.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

A lot of the cost of a new drug covers the high development costs.

Or so the drug companies would like you to believe. In fact they spend more on marketing than on R&D. I don't know if the illegal bribes are included in the accounts.

http://www.theguardian.com/business...thkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticals

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29274822

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gsk-romania-corruption-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q32A920150729

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs...laid-on-by-drugs-firms-to-sway-NHS-staff.html

Okay, fair point, but new drug development is expensive, and that is why many serious diseases are not researched by drug companies, not enough profit likely. Minor complaints such as piles are more profitable. As far as I am aware makers of generics do not develop new drugs.