Part P - kitchen DIY

I get the same as PBoD - strange.
This really is totally bizarre. Refreshing the cache and re-opening the browser made no difference - the link still took me to the same page!

However, that was Chrome. I've just tried in IE and I get the same page that you, PBoD and TTC are seeing. I've never experienced anything quite like this - both browsers are displaying the same URL, but they are actually showing different pages!

Kind Regards, John
 
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I am using Chrome.
I see! Just to prove to you all that I'm not going mad, the page Chrome is showing me (and nothing I can do seems to alter that) says...
Electrics

Planning Permission

Planning permission is not generally required for installing or replacing electrical circuits. However, if you live in a listed building you are advised to contact your Local Planning Authority before carrying our any work.

Building Regulations

If you are carrying out electrical work in your home or garden in England and Wales, you will have to follow new rules in the Building Regulations.

You should use an installer who is registered with a competent person scheme to seek approval from a Building Control body. This is true for most work. However, you do not need to tell them about repairs, replacements and maintenance work or extra power points or lighting points or other alterations to existing circuits (except in a kitchen or bathroom, or outdoors).

The Building Regulations set out overall criteria and requirements to ensure electrical safety. Approved Document P provides further practical guidance for undertaking this type of work. You should bear in mind that any electrical work you carry out within your home, garden, garage shed and other storage buildings may need to comply with the requirements of the Building Regulations. If you are unsure about whether you are required to comply you may wish to contact your local authorities building regulations department.

All electrical work should follow the safety standards in BS 7671 (the 'wiring regulations') which can be found on the British Standards Institute (BSI) website.

These rules have been introduced to help reduce the number of deaths, injuries and fires caused by faulty installations.

The Building Regulations only set standards for electrical installation work in relation to dwellings (houses, flats etc). If the work is carried out in industrial or commercial buildings it is covered by the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989. The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) is responsible for making sure that electrical installation work in these kinds of buildings is safe and if you have any queries about work in these buildings you should contact HSE.

The Building Regulations do not restrict who may carry out electrical installation work. If you want to do the work yourself you should make sure that you know what you need to do before starting any works. There are a number of reputable guides that you can use to help you.

The Building Regulations do not set standards for the safety of electrical appliances but they do require that fixed connections of appliances are safe.

Checking for safety

Where the works require a Building Regulations application it should be checked to make sure that it is safe. This checking can be done in either of two ways:

by using an electrician registered with a competent person scheme
or by notifying the building control section of your local authority.
Local Authority Building Control

You should make a Building Regulations application to Building Control if the electrician you employ to carry out the works is not registered as a competent person under one of the relevant Competent Person Schemes for electrical installations or if you do the work yourself. You should contact your local authority building control department before you start the work. They will explain the requisite procedures to you.

It is also best to discuss with Building Control how they wish to inspect and check the works you are carrying out.

Approved inspector building control

An approved inspector is a body which carries out the same functions as local authority building control. If you use an approved inspector they will explain to you how the approved inspector system works. If at the end of the work the approved inspector is satisfied that the work is safe, you will be given a copy of the final notice

Competent Person Schemes

In relation to electrical safety this means that an electrician who is registered by an organisation authorised by the Secretary of State and is able to certify the work carried out is safe, without you having to notify Building Control. Once works are complete the electrician will arrange for you to receive a building regulations compliance certificate within 30 days of the completion of the work. Your local authority will then also be notified about the work by the electrician.

The competent person should also provide you with a completed Electrical Installation Certificate which shows that the work was tested for safety.

It is advisable to ask the electrician to provide information about which scheme they belong to and their membership number. You will then be able check with the Competent Persons Register to make sure they are registered. You can find a list of the organisations which run the competent person schemes for electrical installation work on the Gov.uk website

Minor works

The Building Regulations allow certain works (known as non-notifiable or minor work) to be carried out without having to notify building control or using a registered electrician. Such work includes:

Replacing any electrical fitting (for example, socket outlets, light fittings, control switches)
Adding a fused spur (which is a socket that has a fuse and a switch that is connected to an appliance eg, heater) to an existing circuit (but not in a kitchen, bathroom or outdoors)
Any repair or maintenance work
Installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding
Installing cabling at extra low voltage for signalling, cabling or communication purposes (for example, telephone cabling, cabling for fire alarm or burglar alarm systems, or heating control systems).
If you are not sure whether the work you want to undertake is notifiable, you should contact your local authority building control department for advice.

Minor electrical work can also present a risk to safety. If qualified electricians carry out the work they should give you a Minor Works Certificate which means that they have tested to work to make sure it is safe. If you do the work yourself you may wish to engage a qualified electrician to check it for you.
... which looks like a pre-April-2013 version of what the rest of you are seeing (and what I can see using IE)!!

Kind Regards, John
 
Electrics

Planning Permission

Planning permission is not generally required for installing or replacing electrical circuits. However, if you live in a listed building you are advised to contact your Local Planning Authority before carrying our any work.

Building Regulations

If you are carrying out electrical installation work in your home or garden in England and Wales, you must comply with the rules in the Building Regulations. It is best to use an installer registered with a competent person scheme (a ‘registered competent person’) who can self-certify compliance with the Building Regulations.
If an installer is not registered, then certain riskier jobs (identified as ‘notifiable’ in the Building Regulations) will need to be inspected, approved and certificated by:

a building control body (your local authority or a private approved inspector), or
in England only, an electrician registered with a third-party certification scheme (a ‘registered third-party certifier’).
The building control body or registered third-party certifier must be notified before work starts.

Notifiable jobs include:

the installation of a new consumer unit or fuse box
the installation of a complete new circuit – for example a ring or lighting circuit, or a new circuit for a cooker, shower or immersion heater
alterations to existing circuits – such as adding an extra power point or lighting point – but only in ‘special locations’. In England, special locations are the spaces around baths and showers. In Wales, special locations include also kitchens and outdoors.
Most repairs, replacements and maintenance jobs, and alterations or additions to existing circuits outside special locations, are not notifiable.
The Building Regulations set out overall criteria and requirements to ensure electrical safety. Approved Document P provides further practical guidance for undertaking this type of work. You should bear in mind that any electrical work you carry out within your home, garden, garage, shed or other storage building must comply with the requirements of the Building Regulations. If you are unsure about the requirements, you should contact your local authority’s building control department.

All electrical work should follow the safety standards in BS 7671 (the 'wiring regulations'), which can be found on the British Standards Institute (BSI) website.

These rules have been introduced to help reduce the number of deaths, injuries and fires caused by faulty installations.

The Building Regulations set standards for electrical installation work only in relation to dwellings (houses, flats etc). If the work is carried out in industrial or commercial buildings it is covered by the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989. The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) is responsible for making sure that electrical installation work in these kinds of buildings is safe and if you have any queries about work in these buildings you should contact the HSE.

The Building Regulations do not restrict who may carry out electrical installation work. If you want to do the work yourself you should make sure that you know what you need to do before starting any works. There are a number of reputable guides that you can use to help you.
The Building Regulations do not set standards for the safety of electrical appliances but they do require that fixed connections of appliances are safe.


Checking for safety

Where the electrical installation work is notifiable it should be checked to make sure that it is safe. This checking can be done by:

the electrician who carries out the work, provided the electrician is registered with a competent person self-certification scheme, or
a building control body – either the building control department of your local authority or a private approved inspector, or
in England only, an electrician registered with a third-party certification scheme.


Competent person schemes

An electrician registered with a competent person self-certification scheme authorised by the Secretary of State will self-certify that notifiable work is safe and complies with the Building Regulations. When using a registered electrician, you do not need to notify a building control body.

Once the works are complete the electrician will arrange for you to receive a Building Regulations compliance certificate within 30 days, and for your local authority to be notified about the work for its own records. If you do not receive this certificate, please contact your electrician’s registration body.

The registered electrician should also provide you with a completed Electrical Installation Certificate to show that the work has been tested for safety.
It is advisable to ask the electrician to provide information about which scheme they belong to and their membership number. You will then be able to check the electrical competent person register at www.electricalcompetentperson.co.uk to make sure they are registered. You can find a list of organisations that run competent person schemes for electrical installation work on the Gov.uk website.


Local authority building control

You may make a Building Regulations application to your local authority building control department if the electrician you employ to carry out notifiable work is not registered with one of the relevant competent person schemes, or if you do the work yourself. You should contact the local authority before you start the work and they will explain the requisite procedures to you.

It is also best to discuss with the local authority how they wish to inspect and check the works you are carrying out.
Approved inspector building control

An approved inspector is a body which carries out the same functions as local authority building control. If you use an approved inspector they will explain how the approved inspector system works. If at the end of the work the approved inspector is satisfied that the work is safe, you will be given a copy of the final notice.


Third-party certification schemes

Building control bodies will generally employ a qualified electrician to inspect notifiable electrical work on their behalf.

In England only, it has been possible since April 2014 for you to go directly to an electrician to certify work, without involving a building control body, provided the electrician is registered with an authorised third-party certification scheme.

You can find a list of organisations that run third-party certification schemes for electrical installation work on the Gov.uk website.


Minor works

The Building Regulations allow certain minor works (known as non-notifiable work) to be carried out without having to notify building control or use a registered electrician.

In England, the rules were simplified in April 2013, so that now regulation 12(6A) of the Building Regulations 2010 identifies notifiable work as comprising the installation of a new or replacement consumer unit, the installation of a complete new circuit connected to the consumer unit, or alteration work in and around a bath or shower.
 
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Looks to me that John2 is linking to the Welsh version of the site. There is an option on the linked page to read Welsh or English version. Strange that they are different.
 
Try "incognito" or "in private" - you may have a cookie from them that takes you elsewhere. This method removes that as a possibility
 
Looks to me that John2 is linking to the Welsh version of the site.
Well spotted - that was the 'problem'. For some reason, my Chrome (but not IE) was defaulting to the Welsh version. I can but presume that, for some reason, I once looked at the Welsh site, and that a Chrome-specific Cookie has remembered that!
There is an option on the linked page to read Welsh or English version. Strange that they are different.
That's not strange at all. Wales did not adopt the changed rules (in England) in April 2013, so continue to work with what were the pre-April-2013 rules in both England and Wales. It all makes sense now!

Kind Regards, John
 
Try "incognito" or "in private" - you may have a cookie from them that takes you elsewhere. This method removes that as a possibility
Thanks - but it turns out that is not necessary. All I had to do was click on the thingy at the top to take me to the England, rather than Wales, version of the site!

Kind Regards, John
 
Byddech yn meddwl y byddai safle fod yn Gymraeg
Just as well Mr Google can translate :)

Yes, I did think that, too - it's why the wording of my recent posts probably seemed a bit odd - since I felt I had to refer to the "England" and "Wales" sites, rather that "English" and "Welsh", since the 'Wales site' is in English :)

Kind Regards, John
 
Just as well Mr Google can translate :)
Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to do it. :)
You wouldn't have! However, if the 'Wales site" had been in Welsh, I obviously would have twigged the original problem immediately.

ISTR that eric has told us that nothing to do with the Building Regs (including 'Part P') is technically valid in Wales, since it has never been published in Welsh.

Kind Regards, John
 
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