People who only believe lies.

[motorbiking]

Putin would have a good solution to the border in Ireland
1. move many thousand people in to the country
2. hold a referendum on joining the united kingdom
3. kill/lock up/ or oppress anyone who disagrees

sorted.

some times we forget how lucky we are to live in such a democratic society, flaws and all.

 

[ReJect]

Supporting the idea of a united Ireland is not the same thing as supporting terrorism.
Supporting a free Palestine is not the same thing as supporting terrorism.

It's just an easy way to smear and attack somebody.

Around the same time, the west, including America and the UK, supported the mujahideen, and later Taliban, in fighting the Soviet Union in the middle east. That must mean Great Britain and America are terrorist's friends too?

It is not as simple as that.
Corbyn has been supporting a “United Ireland” for probably most of his life (certainly as long as I can remember) but without explanation or facing realities.
It would be hilarious if he had to back up his view with how it all would work, including rights for ALL people.
Any honest, educated, decent person would have realised about the very real problems of the Roman Catholic Church in the whole of Ireland frankly not being a group who could be trusted or united with.
It is very easy to sit back for Corbyn and make one sided very narrow comments about how the world should be.
Has Corbyn ever mentioned that British people have been and still are discriminated in the whole of Ireland?
Has Corbyn given any support for terrorist groups on the British side - UVF or UDA, etc?
Has Corbyn ever condemned Gerry Adams for the Trojan horse policies that he admitted Sinn Fein were doing to cause discrimination against the Unionist people?
Why did Corbyn stand in silence for the 8 IRA terrorists who were shot dead in Loughgall on an attack on a police station, when he never stood in silence for the police murdered previous weeks at police stations?
Genuinely wanting a United Ireland is one thing, - a political twit supporting a United Ireland without knowledge and entirely during a murderous IRA campaign often supported from Dublin, is support for terrorism.
That would be similar to supporting Germany and Poland to be united from 1939 yet claiming not to be a Nazi supporter.

Ironically Corbyn was one of the people who actually encouraged the IRA by giving them political support and he therefore delayed the chance of any peace agreements and of uniting Ireland in any form.
Funny old thing this extreme left wing Marxist viewpoint where you support only certain groups and people, but not others.
Peoples rights, but only some people.

 

[Notch7]

Funny old thing this extreme left wing Marxist viewpoint where you support only certain groups and people, but not others.
Peoples rights, but only some people

I do partly agree -Corbyn does supplrt certain groups but not others -which I think has lead to the anti semitism problem.

Corbyns approach to brexit is rather telling -he doesnt mind brexit, he is ideologically a Europhobe and he wants brexit - but he cant do that politically because he would be supportive of Tory policies and go against the majority of his voters.

On the matter of only supporting certain groups - that should be balanced by the fact Corbyn is seeking power to push policies that would improve the lives of those in poverty, with no financial gain to himself. Contrast that with Conservatives who actively want neo liberal policies for self interest -Tory MPs and their mates can make nice money out of privatisation deals -they dont care about lowering NHS standards or increased costs, they can afford private healthcare.

Corbyn for all his faults does care about the poor. My concern is whether his ideas would drive business away and reduce tax revenue.

 

[Vinty]

I do partly agree -Corbyn does supplrt certain groups but not others -which I think has lead to the anti semitism problem.

Corbyns approach to brexit is rather telling -he doesnt mind brexit, he is ideologically a Europhobe and he wants brexit - but he cant do that politically because he would be supportive of Tory policies and go against the majority of his voters.

On the matter of only supporting certain groups - that should be balanced by the fact Corbyn is seeking power to push policies that would improve the lives of those in poverty, with no financial gain to himself. Contrast that with Conservatives who actively want neo liberal policies for self interest -Tory MPs and their mates can make nice money out of privatisation deals -they dont care about lowering NHS standards or increased costs, they can afford private healthcare.

Corbyn for all his faults does care about the poor. My concern is whether his ideas would drive business away and reduce tax revenue.

There is hope for Corbyn yet, he spent his entire political career sticking to his principles even if it made him unpopular.
Since he became leader of the Labour party he has learned that to gain power he has to compromise his principles hence his ambivalence on Europe, everyone knows he hates the EU but he knows his party is mostly remain , so in trying to appease both factions in his party he is only doing what all professional politicians do and that is they start to tell lies.

Lying is more prevalent in a democracy because you need people's votes to stay in power, in a half decent dictatorship you don't need to lie as much, anyone who complains about your policies you just bump them off or lock them up.

 

[ReJect]

Corbyn was a fool to pretend in public that he sits on the fence on Brexit.
All he had to do before and after the EU referendum was to say he was for Leave, but respected others to have different views, including his party members and voters.
Most other MPs said what they believed in

 

[JP_]

But he never pretended to sit on the fence - everybody knows he is anti-EU.
From the very beginning labour suggested cross-party cooperation for Brexit, but the tories said "no, we've got this, it'll be easy".
All Corbyn has really done is stand up for workers rights and said we must protect trade - pretty reasonable really. A hard Brexit would be utterly devastating (project fear, boo hoo, crybaby blah blah blah) for the country. Getting a deal sorted and then leaving is the only sensible thing to do. Nobody in their right mind (with mortgage, family, etc) quits a good job before finding a new one - you agree a new job, then resign from old. That is how we must move forward with Brexit.

 

[Ryler]

something which the many sabre rattlers need to be reminded of!

Shame no one ever reminded corbyn.

 

[Ryler]

Has Corbyn ever mentioned that British people have been and still are discriminated in the whole of Ireland?

And protestant people also. Many jobs are prioritized for catholics only.
On property sales many protestant bids are rejected with comments such as " bids are not being accepted from your sort" from estate agents.
Its a form of ethnic cleansing. And rarely publicized. Certainly not by the bbc.

 

[Ryler]

From the very beginning labour suggested cross-party cooperation for Brexit

May eventually cross party cooperation and gave him every thing he wanted. And then threw it all back in her face.
May couldn't give him the one thing he wanted. the keys to no10. (and neither will the electorate incidentally)
Which is all he is interested in, so he can take a stick to a few rich people.
brexit is a side show for which he cares little about.

 

[Ryler]

hard Brexit would be utterly devastating

Crystal ball rubbish.

 

[Ryler]

Nobody in their right mind (with mortgage, family, etc) quits a good job before finding a new one - you agree a new job, then resign from old. That is how we must move forward with Brexit.

Many people quit their jobs to strike out on their own. If they listened to doom mongers like you, they would never make the move.

 

[noseall]

Its a form of ethnic cleansing. And rarely publicized. Certainly not by the bbc.

And highly unlikely to be true. Ryler bot - full steam ahead.

 

[Ryler]

And highly unlikely to be true.

Perfectly true I can assure you.

 

[Ryler]

And highly unlikely to be true. Ryler bot - full steam ahead.

And then their is this....
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/18/northern-irish-unionists-fear-post-brexit-land-grabs

 

[noseall]

And then their is this....
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/18/northern-irish-unionists-fear-post-brexit-land-grabs

The report seems genuine. I'm sure there are people who think the contents of the report - i.e. the hypothesis or parts of the hypothesis might occur, should the conditions supporting it arise.

However Corbyn is not an IRA sympathiser nor does he support terrorism.