PIR code for bathroom lights

...is it something to do with wrong codes against observations...

That and incorrect observations. Most electricians [and I mean most] have too flimsy a knowledge of regulations and usually report deviations from what they consider to be good practice, whether or not they actually contravene BS 7671.

It is also rare, indeed, to see correctly completed schedules of inspections.
 
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Hello again,
well unfortunately I do not have my reports with me but if required can easily email to anyone who seems interested!
I do not mind another spark giving my reports a look over, after all when it comes to PIR it is an interpretation of BS7671 and all sparks could easily give a code 2 in one place whilst another could give a code 4 for the same reason!
This is the simple fact why there is no books / documetns giving strict guidelines to what is what code.
Hence my original question. I dont consider myself to be an expert, I do not know every last thing about the wonderful world of electrics, hence why I ask questions, I am willing to learn, willng to listen, I am not one of these people who disregards anyones opinion becasue it is different to mine, after all you can learn from anyone! complaceny creeps in when you think you know it all!
Anyhow, just for reference. most codes i have used on this installation are a code 4, with exception to the code 3 for the earthed connection due to a response!
these are things like : no RCD protection for lighting circuits. red and black wiring used. missing earth sleeving inside sockets or plain green used. missing brown sleeving on two way switching wires. twin and earth cable used for external security light. no RCD label for quartlery testing, consumer unit wiring not layed out correctly (mixed up neutrals for easy identification) terminal blocks used in lights, evidence of junction boxes used that arent accessible for testing, cant think of any more at mo, but there is enough there to probably try and lay the boot in :) ha ha!
 
I tend to think of them on a sliding scale:
Code 1 = Immediately dangerous
Code 2 = Not currently dangerous but if left can become dangerous
Code 3 = Out of scope of PIR
Code 4 = Minor things that don't comply with BS7671:2008 to the letter but do not comprimise safety.

What you code them is up to you, for the example of twin and earth outdoors I may opt to use code 2 as it may degrade and be dangerous before the installations next inspection.
 
Most electricians [and I mean most] have too flimsy a knowledge of regulations and usually report deviations from what they consider to be good practice, whether or not they actually contravene BS 7671.

There is no onus to report only on departures from BS7671. GN3 asks us to record "details of any damage, deterioration, defects and dangerous conditions and any non-compliance with BS7671 which may give rise to danger" (i added the bold myself!)

I'd agree though that a lot are not worth the paper they are written on.
 
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There is no onus to report only on departures from BS7671. GN3 asks us to record "details of any damage, deterioration, defects and dangerous conditions and any non-compliance with BS7671 which may give rise to danger" (i added the bold myself!)

Damage to, deterioration of, defects and dangerous conditions of an electrical installation would all contravene BS7671 anyway.
 
True for the others but 'defects' could be pretty wide-ranging and could mean just about anything depending on the interpretation of the inspector.
 
OK, I'll fall into the trap..... :oops:

Name a defect that's worthy of an observation though doesn't contravene BS7671 (in an installation carried out to BS7671).
 
Trust you!

It's really been nagging you, the one question that got away, hasn't it?? ;) :p
 
Thanks for that RF!

Wasn't a trap I set on purpose!

Er, not sure I can think of anything that wouldn't contravene or in some way go against one reg or another :oops:
 

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