please help me CORGI

[roguetrader]

with respect, the op was quibbling at £400 which in my mind is more than resonable.

With respect, is £400 reasonable because that is what you would charge someone? Is it reasonable because of the overheads and deeming part of that a reasonable wage for a qualified man? Or is it reasonable because "it's the going rate"?

Your attack on the original poster mocking his socialist leanings as a comminist doesn't do much for your credibility, in any argument.

everyone has overheads to take care of and there is always a very rough rule of thumb regarding what trades earn in there respective areas. usually based on hour/day rates.

regarding my so called attack on the op, I shouldn't be so sensitive if I was you, he is doing a resonable enough job fending for himself, although he has been put down somewhat several times for his comments he has responded with some resonable arguments and a fair ammount of banter in the opposite direction.

 

[AtoZ]

What's hard about lead burning? Apart from freezing your nuts off doing it in this weather of course.

its just so hard to deal with people like you!
i included lead burning because its closest to a craft skill that plumbers do!
i was trying to make the point that it is not rocket science what you do and that some of your number are embarrassing themselves trying to pretend other wise.
i have lots of idea how hard your work is because i have three close mates who are plumbers! (cant you read)

i mentioned worcesters top boy because you were gobbing how hard things were!!! geddit now?
i had my stuff checked over by three different corgis and was not found wanting... so what does that tell you? tells me that it aint that hard!

i did not install my boiler and i never said i did. i would not have done so because of legal/selling/safty reasons.

the fact that i had already done what the op wanted to do when most were saying its not possible, was the point i was trying to make.

corgi make things a closed shop but no govt would ever put itself in a position where all gas fitters could be out of date/approved overnight.

i am a diy plumber the same as you are a diy car mechanic, diy electrician or kitchen fitter!!!
is it that hard to understand?
try to keep up

 

[AtoZ]

edit.. lead burning is hard but most of you dont do that... so

those of us that did a proper apprenticship will have experience of it, I do a fair bit as it happens. I don't understand your point? I think what has gotten most peoples backs up is the op's forceful manner. whatever anyone says, acs, the relevent appliance tests and the whole experience of belonging to the gas industry is a stressful life, its hard to keep up to date and keep on top of all the hoop jumping necessary. you have to make a lot of sacrifices to get and stay qualified. if the phrase 'its not rocket science, anyone can do it' is true, why not give it a go? see how far you get.

with all due respect to you. plumbing does not float my boat.
i did try to suggest that 90% of any trade is easy for most other trades, and its only the special bit where you earn your money.

i did my own work because my corgis are busy. not by choice.

dont think im having a go at all of the plumbers cos im not, i am digging out the gobshite ones, the self important ones and the plain liars.

i appreciate all those hoops m8, i hate that kind of regulation in life but its only there because some people will cut corners.

btw
i have two city & guilds
i got two distinctions in one and two distinctions and a credit in the other. now i do neither because i dont have too.
lucky me

 

[AtoZ]

Mr Happy, I appreciate what your trying to achieve, getting your boiler installed and signed off, as cheap as possible. From the sounds of it you are hoping to get "mates rates", I suggest you ask around at work. You will not get an RGi to work at mates rates for an unknown customer, doing it himself. Even a "mates rates" RGi would insist on doing/overseeing all gas related work.

Mr AtoZ, you have not done anything illegal installing your own boiler, providing its been done competently/correctly. The only issue you may have is if/when you sell your house the purchaser may request a notification certificate. It could work out expensive.

nail and head springs to mind.

i only part installed.
i saw the putney gas blast 20yrs ago so i stay cold for a while and get my m8 around.

thanks for that info though m8, it is as i thought.

 

[AtoZ]

I cannot understand the answer you would like from everyone ,the op is not prepared to pay the price he has been quoted ,and asuming the length of time the job should take and making conclusions on how much is profit and how easy the job should be ,is just getting people's backs up .

Me personally from experience will not now do installations involving people installing there own pipework and rads .its just not worth the hassle .

If the op was in yorkshire ,he may get the job done for the lowest of the quoted prices ,by one of the many local registered cowboys .

And comparing a plasterer with a heating engineer and bragging about your diy skills shows just how little you really know ,i bet you tell everyone who knocks on your door that your pipework was approved by the top boy from worcester bosch ,and you found the boiler fault all by yourself .

yes m8
i tell absolutely everyone who comes around how fookin brilliant i am.
they ask how i dug the holes, mixed the concrete, laid the bricks, hand cut the roof, tiled and lead flashed my huge house.
i show them my super wiring and my plastering skills... and all their mrs think will he come around and do it for me.

and,,,, when the fat knacker plumber from yorkshire' comes around, i pretend im not in.... i cant stand his jealousy and i dont like his whppet!

i can compare the trade skill of hand crafts with the skills of mechanical installation if i choose too!
does corgi say i cant?

i am entitled to compare
happy matey is entitled to ask
you are entitled to say no!

 

[AtoZ]

the answers given here show that none of you lot are 100% sure of the legal arguments and try to resort to google to find out.

I can think of one person who's "100% sure of the "legal arguments", so please come and have a go, if you think you're hard enough.

ah!
if
only
we
were
all
as
sure
as
you.............


i never had you down as a plunger.
i thought you had to be a brain surgeon or a barrister, at the very least a google expert

all the time, it was the gas! i thought that stench was your breath

 

[nwph]

My best mates a copper ,but i haven't a clue how hard his job is ffs .there's more to the job than hanging rads and drinking tea ,turning up at 8 oclock whistling ,and then disapearing at 430 again lol,a minor diy job is not the same as running a full on business ,day in day out .

Corgi was set up to stop people like yourself,nellie know alls ,endangering your family and your neighbours by fecking around with what is a potential poisonous,explosive gas ,now fitting a boiler is not rocket science ,its everything after that needs a little thought ,and thats where the training comes in ,and then you get on the job experience ,where no two jobs can be the same ,and its up to the owners of the company to decide how much they think the job is worth ,not like the op who is a postman and hasn't got a clue .


If he cannot afford or will not pay the going rate for his area ,then i'm afraid the boiler sits on the floor .

 

[AtoZ]

ooh you dont'arf tell'em....
you aint got any mates.

90% of what you do is exactly, hanging rads and drinking tea ,turning up at 8 oclock whistling ,and then disapearing at 430 again


read the thread before joining in.


supply and demand.... when people cant pay something will have to give!
you like the demand bit but as things stand, someone will undercut you..
i dont want to pay your dole.


i cant believe you actually wrote nellie know all....

 

[gas_man_gaz]

i like it how all the muppets who ant a clue on installing, repairing or even general operation of a appliance let alone all the regulations can comment on how easy the job is

 

[AtoZ]

i like it how all the muppets who ant a clue on installing, repairing or even general operation of a appliance let alone all the regulations can comment on how easy the job is

read the thread you dick head
i have done the work
ive had it passed
i have plumber friends who i have worked on site with for years.

funny, that im a muppet yet i can do all that!

is it something in the water in yorkshire that brings out all the fools..

read the thread....
you dont know the regulations along with most of the corgis, and its your fooking job..

 

[sambotc]

Why not just figure it out the cost's.

Ok i will just state now i'm no longer self employed so can't give exact figures on you boy's cost's. I have entered what i belive roughly them to be but please speak up if any are wrong, also some are variable so this is mean't as a guide.

Annual cost involved in being a self employed heating engineer.

ACS qual's APPROX £5k per 5 years = £1000 p/a

Van insurance = £1000 p/a

Public liability = £600 p/a

Phone bills inc. mobile £100/month = £1200 p/a

Diesel approx full tank/week @ £80 = £4120 p/a

Accountants = £400 p/a

Veichle maintenance = £500 p/a

Tool calibration, repairs & replacement = £400 p/a

CORGI registration = £220? p/a

Grand total= £9480 p/annum OR £180/week OR £4.50/hr (based on 40 hours)

Personally i think i've been optimisic with the above figure's and i'm certain i've missed a load out.

HTH Sam

 

[sambotc]

The basic skill's involved in plumbing are quite simple i agree. It's the theory behind a lot of it that takes time and experiance to grasp.

Personally i picked up plastering in about 2 weeks, i would say my plastering is probably as good as most pro's to be honest.

I am always still learning plumbing/heating and will until i lose interest. I come on here to help out where i can to people with problems, but more so to learn off other engineers on here, as the amount of knowledge contained within the experiance of many other's on this board is enormous.
If you think by soldering a couple fittings and mastering using a tube bender means the job is easy, i'm afraid you are very wrong.

 

[AtoZ]

sam
for my part i dont doubt a word you say.
matey asked if someone would do a job and got met with ridicule.
(not from everyone i hasten to add)

he then got told plastic is rubbish along with other things.

i have done exactly as he asked, twice, but my plumber m8 fitted my boiler so it complied with corgi requirements.

we all know that he will find someone who will do it on a saturday morning, mine did it before going to watch fulham at the football so it can be done.

happy matey was not abusive but some of the replies were snide to say the least.

there are cost involved in any business but there are rewards too.

i chipped in because of the 'cant possibly do that', you'll be lucky, attitude.
also the supply and demand explanation, happy matey is a potential customer and he cant afford to pay! that means that you must sit up and listen. ignore that at your peril.
with all and sundry training up as a plumber,some of your less helpful m8's will be looking at the dole.

 

[bengasman]

Surely until the pipework is connected to the boiler its not part of it.

Surely an RGI is capable of testing the pipework before fitting it to the boiler? (just like when you do a replacement boiler job).

Do y'all think that a DIYr cannot correctly fit coper pipes to radiators?
Its not exactly rocket science, there is enough information on doing it available.

All this guy wants is the boiler fitting for a reasonable rate.
They have/do get fitted same day so a reasonable days rate is all he wants to pay, 2K is a tad excessive for that IMO.

A boiler, being part of something else or not, is a gasfitting. A RGI is not allowed to connect a boiler that was stuck on the wall by Mr cheap to a gaspipe. Simple as that


Not a matter of being capable or not, it is blatantly illegal; no 2 ways about it.

When that kind of people buys stuff, they will get the cheapest of the cheap. Second hand if possible sometimes.
Second rate push fits on random pipe, probably not deburred and surely not pressure tested. What happens if the heating pipe comes loose under the floor, and spouts water in the ceiling rose The ceiling rose that was diy-ed as well.
What happens if he did not quite hand the boiler right and the movement causes a leak in the flue?
Or even better, like I personally found last year, a boiler that was so poorly mounted that it was actually resting on the flue?
I can easily come up with a dozen immediately dangerous situations down to nothing else than amateur stuff.
Perfectly ok with me if you kill yourself with this sort of stupidity, but how about the wife, the kids, the neighbours?

And I am sure that Mr cheap and communist is perfectly happy to cash in the profit when he sells the place. Or do you think he will give it to charity?

 

[AtoZ]

sam,
you have just proved my point.
i did my limited plumbing work and found it easy, you did some plastering and found it easy after a while.. agreed.

then why cant that happy matey put some pipes together???

to listen to some of your m8's you'd think it was impossible...

90% of any trade is easy to other trades...

(im sorry to have offended all the decent guys but i cannot stand the top trade types)