Plumber fraud - seeking help

[Harry Bloomfield]

I asked before because this scam looked identical to that I had already heard about, including names.
Could be that they changed characters but operation is still the same.
Keep us posted.

If its a scam/ a fraud then it is a police matter, maybe worth having a word with them.

 

[johnny2007]

If its a scam/ a fraud then it is a police matter, maybe worth having a word with them.

Not really.
Anything different from murder and saying something racist it's a civil matter for the old bill nowadays.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Not really.
Anything different from murder and saying something racist it's a civil matter for the old bill nowadays.

They and you may say that, but if the facts showing up are true - its fraud and a police matter. A director of a limited company taking deposits and money for work they knowingly are financially unable to complete, is fraud a very serious charge for a company director to face.

 

[MD SHAH]

I talked to police personally when they visited neighbour and they advised me to come to station. And they will register online

 

[ianmcd]

I love how there are so many Lawyers on a plumbing site,you wont get a penny back no matter what you do Im afraid, it is a Ltd company they will just fold it

 

[dilalio]

Caveat emptor!

 

[johnny2007]

They and you may say that, but if the facts showing up are true - its fraud and a police matter. A director of a limited company taking deposits and money for work they knowingly are financially unable to complete, is fraud a very serious charge for a company director to face.

Try reporting any fraud to the police, then come back to tell me.

I love how there are so many Lawyers on a plumbing site,you wont get a penny back no matter what you do Im afraid, it is a Ltd company they will just fold it

This has been said on first page. It's just a matter of seeing if the scammers fall for a personal ccj threat and refund.
Unlikely but possible.

 

[MD SHAH]

Dear All,
1) Reported crime to police and got crime reference number. It comes under false representation as his company was opened 1 week before lockdown and 5* ratings and reviews were during lockdown

2) Informed bank with details of scam and they will come back in 15 days Max

3) My solicitor (who did my work in other case) called this fraudster and he lied that :
- I changed planning and so he lost money
- He has not received my 14 day letter
notice (Tracking says he received)
- He has closed company (but it’s not
closed when I checked)
- Denied to talk further

RatePeople is denying to provide screenshots of reviews during lockdown due to GDPR but says they will deal with govt body. They say, removed’s tradesman’s review can’t be shared.

He received letter on 30th July (my letter was signed by me on 27th & posted on 28th).
I’m planning to initiate on money claim website on 12th.

Who should I mention Co-defender? The guy who I dealt or the director of the company?

Also pls guide me if anything is important.

Also I’m giving the job to new builder as I need to finish it ASAP so that I can continue my home treatment.

Thanks

 

[johnny2007]

Who should I mention Co-defender? The guy who I dealt or the director of the company?

It depends what paperwork says.
If it's under the ltd company without any name, co-defendant should be the director.
However, I would check who owns their house on land registry and name that person as co-defendant.
There's a slight chance they would panic about losing the house and give in.
Unlikely as from your description they seem a couple of veterans of fraud.

 

[MD SHAH]

It depends what paperwork says.
If it's under the ltd company without any name, co-defendant should be the director.
However, I would check who owns their house on land registry and name that person as co-defendant.
There's a slight chance they would panic about losing the house and give in.
Unlikely as from your description they seem a couple of veterans of fraud.

sadly, as per land registry, House is owned by some other couple. Perhaps this couple rented and opened company in the rented property

 

[MD SHAH]

It depends what paperwork says.
If it's under the ltd company without any name, co-defendant should be the director.
However, I would check who owns their house on land registry and name that person as co-defendant.
There's a slight chance they would panic about losing the house and give in.
Unlikely as from your description they seem a couple of veterans of fraud.

In fact there is no proper paper work. But I dealt with this guy who came to represent the company who is owned by his partner(Lady), company Director is lady. Email handler is registered in the guy’s name but when he sent email reply signature was of lady (though I know he is the one who replied).

Not sure who will be co-defender. As company’s director is the lady, won’t it be wise to mention the guy as Co-defender so that both are involved in the case?

 

[JohnD]

Who should I mention Co-defender?

I would have thought the Limited Company.

which is a Person in its own right

Though if it has no assets it may simply close.

Litigation of this sort is outwith my knowledge.

 

[johnny2007]

In fact there is no proper paper work. But I dealt with this guy who came to represent the company who is owned by his partner(Lady), company Director is lady. Email handler is registered in the guy’s name but when he sent email reply signature was of lady (though I know he is the one who replied).

Not sure who will be co-defender. As company’s director is the lady, won’t it be wise to mention the guy as Co-defender so that both are involved in the case?

Just seen that they don't own the house, so name the director, although you'll never see your money.
I can't say it enough time: your chances of getting anything back are next to nil, especially because they have no assets.
You might even find that past companies managed by them have lots of useless ccj.

 

[oldbutnotdead]

The one who did the work and the Company Secretary and any directors you can find (the whole assembly trading as xxxx. If you're really lucky (worth a look at Companies House) they'll have cocked up the company formation & thus won't be shielded by the limited liability

 

[denso13]

The one who did the work and the Company Secretary and any directors you can find

You can only claim against two people/companies on a money claim.