Plumbers. Bless them.

[EFLImpudence]

I appreciate this thread has been a bit 'tense' but its sad when posters (in this case me& VC ) want to be educated by you chaps and things seem to degenerate into abuse.

Fair enough.

I - like 'viewer' have been educated by this post. Every day a learning day. We are fortunate in the Combustion Chamber as apart from the odd personality fall out there is no abuse and 99% posters are genuinely trying to help each other resolve some issue. The amount of research some people go to in order to help is brilliant

This issue was resolved early on.
Answers given, regulations quoted and reasons supplied.

It is your colleague who is just trying to stir up the proceedings.

The Do It Alls of this world have their place on these forums. He is a bitty of a devils advocate on the CC but 10 pages on everyone has gained some more info or at least seen things from a different viewpoint. DIA's knuckles most certainly do not drag on the ground.

He should stop giving that impression, then. Being a prat is not the same as playing devil's advocate.

I am about to post a sort of sparky question on your forum now. I hope I can get some constructive help rather than being called a **** & cowboy etc because I don't know the answer and by default must be a moron.

Appreciated.
However, refusing to accept the same answer from numerous replies and asking variants of the same question with differing details of the situation he is encountering over and over is infuriating.

 

[doitall]

My apologies.
I mistakenly thought you were another doitall.

Are you actually registered with any body.
Be interested to know what they say.

What difference would it make? Have I written anything which is incorrect?
That is - factually incorrect, not just what you will not accept.

You are just being awkward. Aren't you?

For other posters benefit it would be better if you stopped trying to wind up people and accept the answers you have been given.

If you really don't believe the answers are correct there is not much point keeping on.

Try somewhere else.

Have to agree, the bodies that You are registered too say different. Why do you pay them money if you don't agree with them.

If thats a wind uo so be it.

TaTa

 

[EFLImpudence]

Have to agree, the bodies that You are registered too say different.

I am afraid they are only staffed by 'ordinary' people such as yourself.
You could buy a cory of the electrical regulations which, because of your job, you should already have
and - here's a novel idea - read, think and work it out for yourself.

Why do you pay them money if you don't agree with them.

As you well know it is the law and the lesser of two evils.

Refer to previous posts and ask them the relevant question.

If thats a wind uo so be it.

So was it.
Nevertheless answered with more than deserved polite restraint.

TaTa

If only.

 

[doitall]

No, it was a genuine question posted in relation to a question in the plumbing forum and that was the question I asked.

But as expected, Abuse.

Perhaps I'll start pushing the snitch a Mod button.

The TaTa was for you, if your bored and can't add anything further to the thread.

Interesting comment though.

"Senior Engineer" don't know what he's talking about

Sounds like bas.

Psssst I don't have a job, athough I fancy playing with some sparky stuff for a bit of pocket money.

 

[SimonH2]

Why do you pay them money if you don't agree with them.

And how do you know he doesn't agree with them ? From what I remember, he agrees with the answers they've given to the question we believe has been asked - which is NOT the question you think he disagrees with them on.

 

[doitall]

In that case it's acceptable to over sleeve the green and yellow and use as a phase wire in heating controls. Thank You.

So why are you arguing about it.

 

[JohnW2]

In that case it's acceptable to over sleeve the green and yellow and use as a phase wire in heating controls.

Indeed - so long as you use some other conductor in the cable as the CPC (and oversleeve it with G/Y). However, why anyone would be so daft as to oversleeve the G/Y with red or brown and then oversleeve some other colour with G/Y completely escapes me!

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

No conditions John.

Either the senior engieers are right or they are wrong.

It is not outside of the regs, the fact they don't advise it is neither here or there.

If you need to ask a technical question, these 4 guys are who You will be asking.

 

[JohnW2]

No conditions John. Either the senior engieers are right or they are wrong.

They are right in terms of what you have asked them. You asked them half a question, and therefore have got half of an answer.

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

I didn't ask them half a question.

Their answer is correct within the regs, or wrong. No other option.

If you have to ask them a question will you argue the toss or accept what they say.

 

[JohnW2]

I didn't ask them half a question. Their answer is correct within the regs, or wrong. No other option. If you have to ask them a question will you argue the toss or accept what they say.

I do accept what they said in response to the question you asked them. Now ask them if a fixed wiring cable without a CPC is compliant with the Wiring Regs.

Do you really have as much difficulty in understanding what we are all saying to you as it appears? Given that you are clearly literate, I find that hard to believe.

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

The reply in black and white say "it is not outside the regs"

Is flex fixed wiring.

 

[RF Lighting]

Yes.

 

[Monkeh]

Is flex fixed wiring.

It's clipped, buried, connected to a wallmounted box with a strain relief, and so on. Yes, you can just pick it up and walk off with it!

 

[JohnW2]

The reply in black and white say "it is not outside the regs".

Oversleeving G/Y-insulated conductors (in multiway cables) is not outside of the regs.

As a separate issue, having fixed wiring without a CPC is outside of the regs, unless it's the drop to the lampholder in a light pendant.

Is flex fixed wiring.

Yes, if it's joining two 'fixed' things (like heating controls and JBs). It's the way in which it is used, not the nature of the cable, that determines whether or not it is fixed wiring.

Kind Regards, John