Possible new drug to treat Covid

[JP_]

Ellal often brags about the ability of individual thinking. I can only assume that individual thinking excludes looking at official scientific data or actually talking to its two so-called 'doctor' sons.

Well, in fairness, it wouldn't be individual 'thinking' if he listened to the 'experts'.

 

[Mottie]

Well, in fairness, it wouldn't be individual 'thinking' if he listened to the 'experts'.

In all fairness then, what is the point of ‘experts' if we're not going to listen to them?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

To be fair, we will never know the truth….it is China we are talking about.

Yes, just a coincidence that Wuhan had a lab that played around with the makeup of viruses. Nothing to see here.

Could have escaped from the local virus manipulation lab in any town or city in the world.

 

[JP_]

In all fairness then, what is the point of ‘experts' if we're not going to listen to them?

Badge of honour?

 

[wobs]

Full independent tests on all control groups...

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...eases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe
"Trials for the vaccines have had fully independent safety monitoring boards, and safety data are continuously reviewed by the FDA and expert panels. "
If anything the issue should be how much info on the trials are submitted, rather than whether it is independent. Transparency is key. While the pharma industry has a history of some dodgy practices (lack of transparency being a prime example), this does not mean the the covid vaccines should not be trusted.

Oh, and the NHS is a useful method of anaylsing outcomes, as it an access to millions of people. This is something that has been used in the past, and

Conclusions The NHS in England has rapidly delivered mass vaccination. We were able to deploy a data monitoring framework using publicly auditable methods and a secure, in-situ processing model, using linked but pseudonymised patient-level NHS data on 57.9 million patients with very short delays from vaccine administration to completed analysis. Targeted activity may be needed to address lower vaccination coverage observed among certain key groups: ethnic minorities, those living in deprived areas, and people with severe mental illness or learning disabilities.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.25.21250356v3.full

Even Ben Goldacre (author of Big Pharma) is an advocate of covid vaccines, and involved with trying to get more coverage for covid vaccines.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/covid-19-longitudinal-health-wellbeing/national-core-study/vaccination

He is a huge critic of the industry, and yet also is in favour vaccines.

Can you tell us why did a government advisor say that parents were being reasonable to wait to have their kids jabbed?

Oh that's right - it hasn't been tested on that group yet!

Oh really?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...covid-19-vaccine-trials-teens-tweens-n1244957

But of course, none of this will convince you, which is something you need to think about.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

its two so-called 'doctor' sons.

They must despair.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

But of course, none of this will convince you, which is something you need to think about.

He wont.

He cares for nothing except peddling falsehoods.

I hope the mods and site owner are OK with the deaths of people who refuse the vaccine on their consciences.

 

[Brigade77]

I hope the mods and site owner are OK with the deaths of people who refuse the vaccine on their consciences.

You are a bloody disgrace.

 

[ellal]

But of course, none of this will convince you, which is something you need to think about.

Sadly like many others nothing it seems will convince you to think for yourself as opposed to 'thinking' what you are told to believe!

 

[ellal]

"Trials for the vaccines have had fully independent safety monitoring boards, and safety data are continuously reviewed by the FDA and expert panels. "
If anything the issue should be how much info on the trials are submitted, rather than whether it is independent. Transparency is key. While the pharma industry has a history of some dodgy practices (lack of transparency being a prime example), this does not mean the the covid vaccines should not be trusted.

Funnily enough...

Novavax jab volunteer's 'regret' over trial approval wait

"A Covid vaccine trial volunteer has said he has been left struggling to organise trips abroad because the jab involved has not yet been licensed."

"Damian Reynolds, from Bradford, said he now "regretted" getting two doses of the Novavax jab in 2020 as he could not prove he had been fully vaccinated.
The vaccine has yet to be licensed in the UK and some countries refuse to consider volunteers fully vaccinated.
Novavax said it was "working day and night" to complete its submission.
The US-based firm added it would "advocate" on behalf of UK volunteers who had taken part in its Covid vaccine trial."

"The company started its trials in October 2020, with over 15,000 people across the country taking part.
But with the Novavax trial still ongoing and the vaccine not yet licensed in the UK, participants are classed by other countries in the same way as those who are unvaccinated.
That means they may have to quarantine or complete tests before travelling abroad."



So you were saying what exactly about trusting jabs?

 

[Mottie]

Sadly like many others nothing it seems will convince you to think for yourself as opposed to 'thinking' what you are told to believe!

Presumably you look around at what’s happening before forming your opinion in your individual thinking mode - I mean you don’t just get a revelation, do you. In your seeking of the 'facts' to form your individual opinion, do you consult with your two 'doctor' sons? Does their medical knowledge of the 'virus' tally with yours or are they just Sheeple that are believing all they are told by the GMC and articles they may read in the Lancet?

 

[gas112]

i wonder why the wuhan universities of science between july and october 2019 spent 8.92 million yuan on pcr tests an 8 fold increase on 2018

 

[ellal]

Presumably you look around at what’s happening before forming your opinion in your individual thinking mode - I mean you don’t just get a revelation, do you. In your seeking of the 'facts' to form your individual opinion, do you consult with your two 'doctor' sons? Does their medical knowledge of the 'virus' tally with yours or are they just Sheeple that are believing all they are told by the GMC and articles they may read in the Lancet?

All the people who accept the concept of individuality tend to gain the best information from wherever it comes and then make their own mind up...

The sheeple are those like yourself who it appears blindly do what they are told by government without question...

No wonder the UK is in such a mess!

 

[ellal]

i wonder why the wuhan universities of science between july and october 2019 spent 8.92 million yuan on pcr tests an 8 fold increase on 2018

Maybe you ought to ask mottie directly?

 

[Mottie]

All the people who accept the concept of individuality tend to gain the best information from wherever it comes and then make their own mind up...

The sheeple are those like yourself who it appears blindly do what they are told by government without question...

No wonder the UK is in such a mess!

That in no way relates to my question. Another swerve.