Probation service to be renantionalised after another Grayling SNAFU

[donrkebab]

If you'd like to claim that you are entitled for a prize for the correct answer then please do.

That will mean that the state owning/running things is an aspect of socialism in North Korea, but not here, therefore here we can have the state owning/running things without it being socialism.

In which case, how do you define socialism, and what is it about it which denies human nature and only works under a totalitarian regime like North Korea? Are there other things we could have which would be socialism in NK but not here?

Do you have a screw loose?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Why the leftie assumption that the state is always the best option to run industry and public services?

Why the right-wing assumption that it never is?

Will you please tell us which of the following you think should be publicly owned, and which not, and why.

Electricity generation & distribution
Gas extraction/import & distribution
Water supply
Roads
Railways
Police
Fire service
Armed forces
Schools
Higher education
Health service
Social services
Benefits administration
Prisons
Courts
Probation service
Postal service
Banks

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Do you have a screw loose?

No.

Do you have a fundamental problem which stops you from understanding the implications of what you say?

Are you able to explain what is it about socialism which denies human nature and only works under a totalitarian regime like North Korea?

Can you confirm that you don't think that here the state ownership of things would not qualify as socialism but it does in North Korea?

 

[motorbiking]

I understand it...

You obviously don't or choose not to

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/summary-government-procurement-scale-nature-contracting-uk

When we refer to outsourcing in this report, we do so using the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s (OECD) definition. This definition includes the goods and services purchased by government either for its own consumption or for delivery directly to the end user. It does not include capital works, such as building new roads.

However, our interest in contracting includes outsourcing but extends to procurement in the wider sense, including works. Neither outsourcing nor procurement is synonymous with privatisation, which is the sale of publicly owned assets to private investors.

seems clear and different to me.

 

[motorbiking]

my view:
Electricity generation & distribution - mixed
Gas extraction/import & distribution - mixed
Water supply - state
Roads - state
Railways - unless there is consumer choice - state
Police - state
Fire service - state
Armed forces - state
Schools - already mixed
Higher education - private not for profit
Health service - mixed
Social services - mixed
Benefits administration - state
Prisons - state
Courts - state
Probation service - state
Postal service - private
Banks - private

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Police, armed services, prison, courts, fire, coastguard - only ever the government.

Electric, gas, water, roads, railways, post, banking - government or private but must always be to specifications and standards set by governments.

Welfare payments - only by governments elected solely by the taxpayers from whom those welfare payments are taken.

Education & health - the government, but not the way our government does it!



(I won't say "the state" as it has a loony-left, right-on, Citizen Smith pinko commie ring to it, comrades.)

 

[JohnD]

Welfare payments - only by governments elected solely by the taxpayers from whom those welfare payments are taken.

So you say state pensions should be administered by a government elected only by people below state pension age, who are in employment and paying NI contributions.

It's going to be a bit complicated having two parallel governments.

 

[Notch7]

seems clear and different to me

Bless, Ellal is wrong again

 

[Deleted member 18243]

So you say state pensions should be administered by a government elected only by people below state pension age,

You take things very literally don't you?

 

[JohnD]

So you're telling us now that you don't mean what you said.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

So you're telling us now that you don't mean what you said.

Is this the Jeremy Kyle show?

 

[JohnD]

And you'd be giving up your vote if you were out of work, or long-term ill or disabled in an accident, or looking after children or an invalid wife or parent.

Sounds very fair.

 

[ellal]

seems clear and different to me.

seems clear to me that some people are easily bamboozled by semantics

Bless, Ellal is wrong again

Says the person who only had two boxes to choose from - and ticked the wrong one because of self confessed ignorance

 

[Deleted member 18243]

And you'd be giving up your vote if you were out of work, or long-term ill or disabled in an accident, or looking after children or an invalid wife or parent.

Sounds very fair.

You keep saying that I said things that I didn't say. Are you high on drugs?

 

[noseall]

I said things

Like this little nugget...

Welfare payments - only by governments elected solely by the taxpayers from whom those welfare payments are taken

What did you mean elected solely by taxpayers? Who do you think it excludes?