RCD requirements poll

[ban-all-sheds]

I think you've both made your position clear, so repeating it is not likely to change the other's viewpoint.

That is undeniably true.

But changing PBC's viewpoint is not important. What is important is to get him to stop telling people that they do not have to take any notice of changes if they have things which pre-date the change, even when ignoring the changes is unlawful.

 

[stillp]

Yes BAS, but you've already said that.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I'll stop saying it shortly after he stops telling people that they do not have to take any notice of changes if they have things which pre-date the change, even when ignoring the changes is unlawful.

 

[JohnW2]

I think you've both made your position clear, so repeating it is not likely to change the other's viewpoint.

Indeed. That is the very point I've been making about "going on and on" (about anything) in relation to the poll in this thread! Once a point has been made, repetition is at best unnecessary, and at worst counter-productive.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Please get PBC to understand that.

 

[JohnW2]

Please get PBC to understand that.

You both need to understand it, and either of you can break the cycle.

I remain surprised that a majority of people have voted in favour of the concept of "going on and on" (no matter what the context).

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You both need to understand it, and either of you can break the cycle.

I have made him the offer, several times, to stop telling him that black is not white if he stops saying it is.

This is not simply an "I'm-right-you're-wrong" thing - he is telling people to not do reasonable safety, and to not comply with the law - it has to stop and cannot ever be left unchallenged.

 

[JohnW2]

I have made him the offer, several times, to stop telling him that black is not white if he stops saying it is.

It would seem that only the mods can put an end to this.

Kind Regards, John

 

[stillp]

You could stop responding John.

 

[PBC_1966]

Well, I've asked B-A-S multiple times now to cite anything which supports his opinion that it's illegal to add a socket or cable drop without RCD protection (or even to install a socket without earth sleeving) and he can't do so, so I agree there is absolutely no point in responding to him any further.

Now, would anyone like to discuss the continued use of BS1363 plugs without sleeves on the pins, or the use of unshuttered BS546 sockets?

 

[stillp]

No thanks.

 

[JohnW2]

You could stop responding John.

Indeed I could. So, come to that, could you

In situations like this, I will generally only respond to questions, comments or requests directed specifically to me - I suppose at least partially because I have been brought up to feel that it is impolite not so to do. However, I have, as you will have observed, refrained from any involvement with the repetitive exchanges between the two protagonists in question!

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It would seem that only the mods can put an end to this.

I am really not a fan of the idea that the mods should shut down discussions.

But something needs to be done to stop PBC from advocating unlawful work.

 

[PBC_1966]

I remain surprised that a majority of people have voted in favour of the concept of "going on and on" (no matter what the context).

So do I, although it's interesting to note we're getting a few more votes for "Only if it is likely to power equipment outside."

Obviously we have only a very small sampling so far, but do you think much of the voting is a consequence of the relative ages and backgrounds of voters, coupled with how closely they're involved with the whole BS7671-driven British electrical trade? For example, is somebody of a certain age group who got into the electrical trade just after the requirement for RCD protection for outside sockets was established and who worked in that mindset for some time more likely to want to impress strongly (by "going on and on" about it) the desirability of such protection while not being so concerned about our scenario of an extra socket or two in the living room?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Well, I've asked B-A-S multiple times now to cite anything which supports his opinion that it's illegal to add a socket or cable drop without RCD protection (or even to install a socket without earth sleeving) and he can't do so, so I agree there is absolutely no point in responding to him any further.

Many times over the last few days.

You just refuse to accept it.