Really, in a shop demo kitchen?

[ericmark]

I know technically no rule to say a socket should not be so close to the sink, and since nothing live nothing wrong, but walked around a shop today, and wonder why they would show such poorly designed kitchens.

The electric hob were devoid of knobs, so to allow the hob to stay dry, every hob was around 1/8" proud of the work top or more, meaning pans less stable, and any spillage would go onto the counter making anything on the counter wet.

The corner cupboard had enough waisted space for my wife to stand in the cupboard with the doors closed. In the one with a carousel, there were no matching shelves to stop items falling 5 foot to the floor, the sinks drainers would never retain water within the wet area, one wonders why they bother, if that's the demo version, no way would I use them.

But socket position I think shows kitchens not designed, but thrown together using a collection of parts.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Where’s the problem? I bet that tap doesn’t even have any water connected!

 

[robinbanks]

The corner cupboard had enough waisted space for my wife to stand in

Sounds like a lot more than a waisted space; sounds like a headed, shouldered, kneeded and toed space too. Bargain!

If you bend a fork just right can you connect the spout to live?

 

[Taylortwocities]

Sounds like a lot more than a waisted space

While we seem to be having a pedantic day of it …Sounds more like wasted space!

 

[ericmark]

I was dragged around a showroom to look at kitchens yes, maybe should not have opened the corner cupboard and let wife out again? But it showed her the waste of space, and how poor the designs are, at least in that shop, seems Ikea next, that's a long trip.

But looked at that socket, I thought I would never put a socket there, not so much how close the socket is, but there is hardly any room to put anything which is plugged in, just asking for it to fall in the sink. And yes likely not powered up, and the tap did not work, but if some one sees it in the show room likely they will expect in their own house.

 

[pete01]

I went round a bathroom show room when I was having a new bathroom, one of the baths was standing up on end, I didn't expect it in my bathroom.....lol.

 

[ebee]

Yes good of you to point out what you saw there Eric.
Do you remember when Part P first came out? there was a picture of hands with an open socket and a "Mains Tester Screwdriver" in the hand suggesting 1/ such a screwdriver might be used by an electrician and 2/ the blade might be ok to use on socket terminals, I did mention it to office of deputy prime minister as not being a good idea to suggest and they did agree with me but that advert remained for a long time anyway.
Yer tries yer best! LOL.

 

[Sureitsoff?]

Was the corner cupboard the one with doors on the diagonal if so that is what we have as my other half fell in love with it when she saw it!
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if you can then visiting there showroom is worth it, we travelled up from Norfolk!!!

 

[robinbanks]

While we seem to be having a pedantic day of it …Sounds more like wasted space!

Perhaps you missed the pun of the rest of the body parts usually listed by a person doing the "heads shoulders knees and toes" dance (standing in a cupboard large enough to do the action; it must be a large cupboard). Not pedantry, just humour

If you are kitchen shopping i/we can thoroughly recommend DIY kitchens in Pontefract

Hear here; after a local boutiquey kitchen place In a bit of a run down area quoted me just shy of 20k for my kitchen units, "no appliances, no tops, no taps, no vat" I was determine not to spend half the cost of my entire timber frame install on a few chipboard boxes - DIYK's quote came in just under 4, and they were built

The kitchen itself has weathered really well, just a few bits of lost paint in the handle less handles, and a couple of places the MDF has expanded where careless removal of crockery/pans from the drawer below had dinged the paint. One kessebohmer soft close on a pull out larder failed and was replaced for free. I wouldn't go anywhere else

one of the baths was standing up on end

That's a shower, right?

 

[pete01]

That's a shower, right?

Yes.

 

[SUNRAY]

Yes good of you to point out what you saw there Eric.
Do you remember when Part P first came out? there was a picture of hands with an open socket and a "Mains Tester Screwdriver" in the hand suggesting 1/ such a screwdriver might be used by an electrician and 2/ the blade might be ok to use on socket terminals, I did mention it to office of deputy prime minister as not being a good idea to suggest and they did agree with me but that advert remained for a long time anyway.
Yer tries yer best! LOL.

And why would an electrician not use a mains tester screwdriver, I have always found them to be a useful part of the toolkits. I use them almost universally for ceiling rose errors.
The larger size (200mm long, 3.5-4mm slotted)

without the pocket clip has always been a popular choice for maintenance in control panels for fault finding, these days a LED version is better as works on ELV too.

 

[ebee]

They are banned, they are outlawed Sunray, there`s even been amnesties for you to hand them in at the police station
(yes OK I`m only joking mate)
but although they were popular in the 60s and 70s around here they are very old hat these days and not very reliable, my mate got a shock off his, dropped it in water by accident one day, shook it dry, put it in his toolbox for a couple of days then got it out to "test" something OUCH! daft git. LOL. They can give false negatives too. OK for party tricks but I would not really expect a pro to use one, except as a handy driver for say alarm system control panels where they can be a convenient fit (off course you remove that neon and resistor first).
I think we have moved on a bit since the days it was popular mate

PS - head of Electrical Engineering at my local college used to say to his classes on the subject of Mains Tester Neon Screwdrivers - "Who in their right mind would deliberately make themselves part of an electrical circuit?" I think he was right.

 

[ebee]

PS, some years ago now I got a Crabtree plugtop (plenty of room inside) and drilled two holes in the top for two neons and three current limiting resistors . It was a bit useful as a socket quick check (not as elegant as the socket testers of today) but yes I was known to use it sometimes as a quick ruf check. Neon A lit and Neon B unlit was a quick indication that a socket MIGHT be correct polarity and it cost peanuts too.
Good to save a shilling as they did in my era!

 

[pete01]

PS, some years ago now I got a Crabtree plugtop (plenty of room inside) and drilled two holes in the top for two neons and three current limiting resistors . It was a bit useful as a socket quick check (not as elegant as the socket testers of today) but yes I was known to use it sometimes as a quick ruf check. Neon A lit and Neon B unlit was a quick indication that a socket MIGHT be correct polarity and it cost peanuts too.
Good to save a shilling as they did in my era!

You should of got a patent on it.

 

[JohnW2]

PS - head of Electrical Engineering at my local college used to say to his classes on the subject of Mains Tester Neon Screwdrivers - "Who in their right mind would deliberately make themselves part of an electrical circuit?" I think he was right.

Maybe, but I'm not sure that (m)any 'touch screens' would work if one steered away from that, would they?