Really that much money to fit a fan?

[ericmark]

I know what my reaction would be, simple, sorry I don't do extractor fans, find someone else, which will mean more mould as no one will do the work to reduce it.

Let the heating and ventilation engineer do that job.

 

[blup]

New rules based on a (mis) understanding about the other causes of black mould

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

New rules based on a (mis) understanding about the other causes of black mould

Any forced ventilation, even badly installed, is better than none. Ridiculous rules.

 

[Robin0577]

I'm beginning to think that we've reached such a level of regulation that it is actually counterproductive. By that I mean it is becoming so expensive and complicated to comply with everything that more and more people will become tempted to go down the cowboy / brown envelope route.

 

[Murdochcat]

More nonsense that will be ignored by many trades and DIYERs

Who exactly comes up with this rubbish?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I'm beginning to think that we've reached such a level of regulation that it is actually counterproductive. By that I mean it is becoming so expensive and complicated to comply with everything that more and more people will become tempted to go down the cowboy / brown envelope route.

Or do even more dangerous DIY. I think we passed the point you mentioned, some years ago.

 

[robinbanks]

Hurrah. About time someone tightened the ventilation regs and encouraged trades to be diligent about upholding them. Now we just need similar for every other chancer/bellend who does any work that has any measure of impact in the same document

 

[Murdochcat]

The more the UK regulates, the more people ignore the regulations

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Hurrah. About time someone tightened the ventilation regs and encouraged trades to be diligent about upholding them. Now we just need similar for every other chancer/bellend who does any work that has any measure of impact in the same document

Dangerous, and substandard work needs to be called out, but as explained above...

The more regulation you put in place, the more unnecessary the expense of complying - as with Part P, and now this fan regulation, the more inclined people will be to chance it by DIY'ing. The more money to be made from illegal work, by the Trusted Trader type of sites.

Regulation, has to be both cheap, and easy to comply with, or it will be ignored.

 

[Gigagator]

In a way, it's great.
I've just had a bathroom extractor fitted by a well regarded spark and the quality of installation was pathetic.
He's not a rubbish spark either, the rest of his work was top quality (a full rewire of a 1960s house).

The cost will cause many to just ignore it, though.

 

[Murdochcat]

In a way, it's great.
I've just had a bathroom extractor fitted by a well regarded spark and the quality of installation was pathetic.
He's not a rubbish spark either, the rest of his work was top quality (a full rewire of a 1960s house).

The cost will cause many to just ignore it, though.

Pictures ?

 

[Gigagator]

Pictures ?

If I am at the property tonight I will take a couple photos.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I've just had a bathroom extractor fitted by a well regarded spark and the quality of installation was pathetic.

That needs more explanation??

 

[RandomGrinch]

Let's keep this in context, this isn't new - the amendment to part F was published in Dec 21, coming into force in June 22.
Works on properties started before mid 23 were exempt.

The 'guidance' regarding ventilation in Part F, is targeting new builds, or refurbishment projects.
'Minor works', would not be notifiable, but should 'comply with the requirements'.

In effect, an electrician wouldn't need to worry about replacing an existing fan,
or even the installation of a new fan in an older dwelling.
The gist of Part F, is to improve ventilation in dwellings; installing a bathroom fan, when there wasn't one before, would certainly do that, without the need for any calculations.

If you did feel the need to comply further, fitting a dMEV fan with continuous running and boost, would cover most of the Part F requirements.

Apart from refurbs and new-builds, it may also be worth going through the calculations properly, and notifying, if the work involved a landlords property, that had existing damp/mould issues - just for the sake of covering an electricians back.

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